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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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so last week Chris O'Brien was not here

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he was on special assignment in fact one

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of our listeners posted a message in the

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forum complimenting us on the show we

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did with James Renner the book it came

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from Ohio and remarking how quiet Chris

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was I mean you were silent as a mouse

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yeah oh yeah I definitely was

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unfortunately I was traveling when we

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did the taping so that kind of left me

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out of the loop gene sorry I wasn't

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there but I hear it was a good show and

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good job I think we had a lot of fun

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with it and I was especially interested

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in how far we took this story of Dale

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Spahr the police officer who back in the

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1960s he and a fellow officer chased a

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UFO from Ohio to Pennsylvania and this

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is of course featured in Close

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Encounters of the Third Kind and his

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life was completely ruined after that

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yeah toxic it kind of sticks to you once

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you latch onto it I tell you it does

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even discussions having sane discussions

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on UFOs can be difficult and I can give

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you examples of that I don't know if I

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want to or not

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but we had quite a debate here with

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regard to the recent appearance of

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Tedrow from north cap on the show and

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non cap is a very straight-laced

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organization investigating unidentified

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aerial phenomena they do not call it

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UFOs and I understand the point there

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because the word the label UFO is toxic

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and thus they're trying to divorce

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themselves from the baggage of that term

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no but one of our four members who will

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go unmentioned was ragging on him to a

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point where he's even reluctant to even

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come back on the show which is

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unfortunate it's just badgering

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it's like this whole game of semantics

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with some of our posters Randall in

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particular gets a little old I mean it's

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pretty rare that we have a guest that's

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willing to you know follow up their

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appearance on the show and entertain

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questions and answer questions and you

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know post comments about their thinking

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about in this case Tedros involvement

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with NAR cap and you know you have to

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give the guy some slack here I think and

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and really not get into a debate over

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simple terminology and just minutiae I

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think it's important for us to attract

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guests to the forum not scare them away

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or or badger them you know part of it is

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here that when people participate in

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forums and it gives a person a measure

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of anonymity even if you know their real

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name and they feel that they can say

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things they will not say in a public

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surrounding but this is private because

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it's between them and the computer they

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don't realize that when you post a

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message online in someone's forum in a

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blog one hundreds thousands millions of

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people may read what you have to say I

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think you see situations for example

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where criminals post what they're doing

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in facebook and wonder why the police

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caught them well yeah I mean come on

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that's about as stupid as you can get I

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mean can you spell idiot

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but I think the key here is the

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awareness of what you're doing and

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taking advantage of the so-called

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privacy to basically become another

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person I mean I've known people who have

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been really nasty in the forums but you

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talk to them on the phone or something

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and they're very nice I won't mention

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one particular person who did a live

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snide personal attacks against me and

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has done it with Chris and he's no

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longer in the forum's therefore he isn't

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mentioned but the key is here if you

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talk to the guy on the phone he's really

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a pleasant guy Pleasant gentlemen no

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pussycat real pussycat but as soon as he

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gets into the forums it's like he

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becomes mr. Hyde no

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there's something about being in a forum

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where your inner hate well I think a

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good a good word would be emboldened is

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that part of the online world that's the

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bad part I know in the UFO field there's

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no difference because people were

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debating and yelling at each other with

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personal letters with newsletters they'd

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attack each other so now they simply

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take it online so all that flame all

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that vitriol becomes an online

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phenomenon but it's already been here

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know what that kind of brings to mind of

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an interesting conundrum that the UFO

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field might have to endure here and that

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is the loss of Jim Mosely and saucers

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Muir we need a new saucer smear we need

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a UFO Tattler so people can get their

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Yaya's out for their own particular

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audience and we can take the high ground

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for discussions on shows like this where

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we're attempting to educate people and

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attract interest in a field that's dying

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on the vine and I think getting caught

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up in the definition of terminology and

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well you said this which means this I

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said this which means that this tit for

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tat thing just doesn't work it doesn't

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it's not fruitful for you know expansive

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dialogue or sharing points of view for

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educating people you know Tedrow is you

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know doing a thankless job along with

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quite a number of other people over at

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Nara cough and I think we we need to

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acknowledge the job that they're doing

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and get past our our little pet peeves

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about how certain terms are are used I

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don't care if it's you a PA a Oh UFO

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actually I do care if it's UFO it's

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toxic it turns people off we're not in

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direct ly involved in this phenomenon

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and to be an apologist or somehow

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an unelected representative for a

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particular term is I I think a little

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presumptuous and you know we need to get

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beyond that we need to establish

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commonality grounds that we can all

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agree on and move forward instead of all

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this getting caught up in minutiae stuff

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Jean it's not productive I know the

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personalities always reign supreme like

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if you look up my name and you look up

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the nasty stuff people say all sorts of

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horrible things about me they say

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horrible things about of course Chris

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about me there's a matter of fact I need

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a minute hold on I Oh time out go ahead

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find that nasty stuff that people say

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about me online aim a pristine level of

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credibility and and level of how would I

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put this respect well you know what I

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think the one about you speaking with

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marbles in your mouth or chewing tobacco

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or something I don't know that was

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pretty crazy but here's the thing

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there's also a photograph of me that

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somebody made a composite in Photoshop

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and they did something to my face I

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can't even conceive and they put a suit

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on me now as Chris knows I never wear a

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suit

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so somebody felt that they can attack me

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more if they have me wearing a suit so I

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don't know maybe they watch that TV show

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suits too often oh well let's try talk

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sense here but maybe one thing we could

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consider here is maybe on the power cast

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we should consider not using UFOs but

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then we'd have to educate every guest

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who wants to use that term so maybe that

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doesn't work I don't know

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speaking of UFOs we're back to UFOs this

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week and we have Kevin Randle who's a

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longtime UFO investigator focused on

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Roswell and a lot of other cases back on

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his blog he writes about mj-12 this week

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I'm going to ask him about that but he

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has a new book out called the government

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UFO FILES the conspiracy of cover-up oh

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yeah this will be fun now

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things have changed in our world from

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the way it used to be and that is at one

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time we actually believe the government

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maybe knew what they're doing and they

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were competent even if they were maybe

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keeping UFO information a secret but now

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we see the government is totally

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incompetent

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you know we look at the controversy over

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for example the VA and of course Kevin

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is a veteran so certainly he has lots of

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insights into that and we wonder here

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this is what I wonder if the

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government's so incompetent how do they

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keep the secret of UFOs a secret for

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over 60 years lots of questions to ask

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the government UFO FILES is the book

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Kevin Randall's the author with Dean and

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Chris you're in the para cast first game

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attack of the rockets and it was a

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critically acclaimed success and now

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there is the coming of the protectors a

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former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

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and the coming of the protectors find

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out more at rockets calm that's Rockets

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introduce an old friend back again with

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his latest book boy he just keeps

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turning him out you know not as many as

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Nick Redfern or actually totally maybe

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he's written more over the years with

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his latest Kevin Randall's book is the

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government UFO FILES

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the conspiracy of cover-up and we fully

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go on let me just ask you a question

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Kevin more and more now we're seeing how

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incompetent the government is and as if

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veteran you understand this with the VA

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and all the problems in terms of health

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care the veterans so when we look at the

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problems they're having how can we

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expect the government to be able to keep

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a secret about UFO reality for over

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sixty years but they haven't kept a

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secret we keep talking about it we keep

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finding documents and just to just to

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plug the book the whole premise is I was

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able to find lots of documentation that

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leads us from the Foo Fighters to the

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ghost rockets to the flying disks of

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1947 to comments made by government

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officials about UFOs in the 1950s

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there's a thread that connects it all

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together and I was able to find it

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through government files and government

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documents so the secret hasn't been kept

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we just haven't put it all together or

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the the topic itself

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is now considered part of the lunatic

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fringe no matter how serious you might

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be and so you can't get the legitimate

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journalistic community to take a look at

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what you're doing because they're too

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smart to believe in alien visitation so

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they succeed by being incompetent or in

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some cases extremely competent by

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seeming incompetence I remember in the

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1970s hearing about how incompetent the

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CIA was and I got to thinking what a

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brilliant cover for them everybody

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thinks they're a bunch of bungling

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idiots and that is the kind of cover you

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want for a spy agency because nobody's

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gonna take you seriously and you can do

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all kinds of stuff that way so I think I

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think part of the incompetence may be a

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clever ruse to keep us looking elsewhere

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yeah in their new term for us now is the

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black helicopter crowd I'm sure you

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appreciate that one oh and there's no

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evidence of the black helicopters you

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know I remember a woman she's saying

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that the black helicopters hovered over

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a house all the time and she showed us

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pictures of them and you see helicopters

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silhouetted against the Sun so they

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looked very dark but you could see color

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they weren't black helicopters and it

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turned out there was a heliport like

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three miles from our house so they

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weren't circling her looking for

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something they were landing at the

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heliport so they were dark grey

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helicopters or dark green helicopters or

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maybe bright white ones silhouetted

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against the Sun so they look dark yeah

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any helicopter against the if you

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underneath it looking up against a blue

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sky is gonna appear a silhouette and

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dark yeah yeah I helicopter pilot I

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understand how helicopters work and the

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missions they have and all of that sort

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of thing so and I know that you can

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hover it great altitudes in a helicopter

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if you so desire but you have to be

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careful but it's all I think I think a

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lot of that comes from misperceptions

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and miss identification but it plays

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into a conspiracy that some people want

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to believe in and once you play into

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that conspiracy you get a lot of

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followers well since we're on the

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subject of helicopters and you're being

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a helicopter pilot you're a perfect

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person I think to ask this question of I

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saw I remember back in the late night

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these mcdonald-douglas commercial that

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featured a silent helicopter and it was

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very well done I mean obviously with

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video technology you can you can suggest

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and and kind of create any any sort of

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scenario but where do you come down on

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noise cancellation technology I mean

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what is the state of the art for silent

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helicopter technology there are some

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problems that you haven't is the same

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thing you have with jet aircraft that

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rotor blades are basically spinning very

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very fast and can break the sound

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barrier that creates sound and and as

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you're flying along we used to we used

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to do that if we were flying over a city

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where somebody knew we knew somebody

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would be looking up at us you know

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friends or family we could we could make

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the blades pop so that that you know

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would call additional attention to us by

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loading up the blades and descending

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quickly or all kinds of things we could

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do is make the blades pop so you've got

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to cancel out the noise of the engine

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you've got to cancel out the noise of

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the blades and our technologies probably

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allow us to do a great deal of that sort

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of things so they're a lot quieter than

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they used to be but most of the

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helicopters out flying around today

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wouldn't have that technology and that

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would be a technology you want to use on

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covert missions and things like that so

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the bad guys can't hear you coming and

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and that was one of the reasons in

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Vietnam we would fly at treetop level

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because by the time the sound reached

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the bad guys we'd already over flown

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them because we were so darn low and

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moving so fast so there's all kinds of

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things going on there but I you know the

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technology for sound cancellation we

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keep improving that so things get

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quieter in choir but there's uh the

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technology is still used very very

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sparingly on I would think black

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operations and that sort of thing yeah

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it's gonna be very difficult to cancel

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out prop noise the sound of a almost

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hypersonic blade slicing through the air

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is gonna create a sound yes yeah

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regardless of the sound and maybe it's

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overlooked do we find situations

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frequently where people miss identify

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helicopters as possible UFOs

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well if we believe the airforce yes we

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do and I think specifically of the

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lowering air force base cases which

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coincidentally is covered in the book

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but the Air Force the Air Force decided

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because some of the witnesses on the

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ground reported the air the the object

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hovering that it must in fact be a

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helicopter and so you've got Air Force

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personnel who or within a hundred yards

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of the thing reporting it hovering but

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they couldn't identify it as a

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helicopter it's over the weapons storage

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facility at Loring Air Force Base which

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means it's in violation of federal

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regulations it's the Air Force would

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have been justified in shooting at it

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knocking it down but none of that takes

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place so when you look at the

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investigation the Air Force doesn't call

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it UFOs or anything like that it says

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unidentified helicopters who have

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penetrated our airspace yet there's no

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evidence that they followed up on it to

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find out who these guys were violating

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the law which is something you would

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think the Air Force would do if it was a

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helicopter hovering over their their

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installation so yeah by looking at the

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files ago we see we see that and bounced

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them more so more short lowering because

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you know the because they put out a

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document that talked about the

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unidentified helicopters and of course

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fill class and everybody says well it

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was a helicopter and here's the report

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the Air Force filed on it yet it doesn't

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make any sense because the lighting

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doesn't work the guys were close enough

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to see it as a helicopter if it was they

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heard no noise the helicopter was low

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enough it would have been hovering of

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what we call ground effect which means

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the the air is coming down through the

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rotor blades and fanning out along the

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ground and that kind of keeps it up but

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it's also blowing up a lot of dust and

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debris and there's no evidence of that

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either

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the guys didn't talk about any of that

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that sort of thing so the idea that it

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was a low-flying helicopters

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preposterous in classes well I found

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these guys were flying a helicopter some

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three weeks afterwards in a location 120

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miles away well yeah that explains a

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case then fill that you know that was

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where the skeptics went well it was a

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helicopter they said so and we're done

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whether that's what the air force

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explanation was well it clearly would

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not well live it also is the noise

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factor you can't have the sound

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helicopter as you mentioned before the

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book is called the government UFO FILES

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and the guy responsible is Kevin D

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Randle and so much more to come I'm gene

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we live in a complicated society

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stressful issues are always popping up

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hi this is Don Ecker and you are tuned

613
00:27:09,140 --> 00:27:06,780
into the para cast let me tell you what

614
00:27:12,650 --> 00:27:09,150
you're gonna hear stuff here that you

615
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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

616
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,350
that George Noory Jean and Chris on the

617
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,960
power cast Kevin Randall rejoins us

618
00:27:23,690 --> 00:27:20,640
we're always happy to have him back he's

619
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:23,700
got so much important estate now earlier

620
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:25,170
we were talking about can I interrupt

621
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:26,880
for just a minute cuz you mention Nick

622
00:27:31,970 --> 00:27:28,650
Redfern writing writing a lot of UFO

623
00:27:34,460 --> 00:27:31,980
books yes I will tell you the leader of

624
00:27:36,620 --> 00:27:34,470
publishing UFO books is either read

625
00:27:38,210 --> 00:27:36,630
Steiger or me and Brad tiger and I

626
00:27:40,940 --> 00:27:38,220
talked about this we're not sure who it

627
00:27:42,830 --> 00:27:40,950
is but we lead at the moment with Nick

628
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:42,840
Redfern making a real run to catch up

629
00:27:48,530 --> 00:27:44,970
well he figures that he's younger than

630
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:48,540
you guys so he figures like a hundred I

631
00:27:52,910 --> 00:27:51,330
think he's at under twelve now I haven't

632
00:27:57,890 --> 00:27:52,920
talked too much lately but I think he's

633
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:57,900
112 and he's done 165 books overall some

634
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:00,000
big number but I remember reading one of

635
00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:01,650
his first book strangers from the skies

636
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:04,710
when I was in high school yeah yeah well

637
00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:06,210
the guy he's been writing UFO books

638
00:28:13,070 --> 00:28:09,900
since we were all kids fifty years yeah

639
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:13,080
yeah and then there's guys like me that

640
00:28:16,850 --> 00:28:15,570
writes 600 page books that could be four

641
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:16,860
of Nick's

642
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:20,290
well there is that too and and the

643
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:22,320
government files book is pretty thick

644
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:25,360
it's much longer than I think one of

645
00:28:28,860 --> 00:28:27,520
Nick's books which is not to say I don't

646
00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:28,870
enjoy Nick's books I probably ought to

647
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:30,310
plug Nick's books while I'm at it you

648
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,650
know if I read up to so well he'll be on

649
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:34,240
the show in two weeks so you might as

650
00:28:44,850 --> 00:28:40,110
well is very good too but your book is

651
00:28:47,130 --> 00:28:44,860
354 pages plus cover it's a larger size

652
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:47,140
than the normal book a large trade

653
00:28:51,420 --> 00:28:49,810
paperback yeah and you text is pretty

654
00:28:52,890 --> 00:28:51,430
small yeah so I have to read it with

655
00:28:54,450 --> 00:28:52,900
magnifying glass being old and decrepit

656
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:54,460
no I just made that up

657
00:28:57,870 --> 00:28:56,890
okay well now what's happened of course

658
00:28:59,850 --> 00:28:57,880
because we were talking about the

659
00:29:01,620 --> 00:28:59,860
blogosphere and about how people

660
00:29:03,660 --> 00:29:01,630
involved in UFO research are constantly

661
00:29:06,390 --> 00:29:03,670
attacked and we figure now they'll think

662
00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:06,400
of that attack that you just created for

663
00:29:11,010 --> 00:29:08,470
yourself though take your words out of

664
00:29:12,270 --> 00:29:11,020
context but let's go back to which words

665
00:29:15,390 --> 00:29:12,280
are they going to attack me for now for

666
00:29:16,740 --> 00:29:15,400
crying in a bucket I don't know Redfern

667
00:29:18,330 --> 00:29:16,750
writes a lot of books and I read them

668
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:18,340
myself he ought to be happy with that

669
00:29:25,710 --> 00:29:23,650
and the blogs have added I guess no now

670
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:25,720
boys boys boys let's not get started

671
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,090
here all in good fun let's go back to

672
00:29:35,130 --> 00:29:30,640
the black helicopters okay so how did

673
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:35,140
that thing get started by helicopter

674
00:29:41,490 --> 00:29:37,690
legend I blame Chris O'Brien

675
00:29:42,810 --> 00:29:41,500
how's that with the cattle mutilations

676
00:29:45,330 --> 00:29:42,820
in the 70s they started with the

677
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:45,340
helicopters well I blame Jim Keith for

678
00:29:49,860 --> 00:29:47,650
writing the first book black helicopters

679
00:29:50,820 --> 00:29:49,870
over America is the first come on oh

680
00:29:52,980 --> 00:29:50,830
good there we go

681
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:52,990
well back back in the olden days when I

682
00:29:57,690 --> 00:29:54,250
was playing for the Iowa National Guard

683
00:30:00,060 --> 00:29:57,700
in the early 1970s and there was a lot

684
00:30:03,060 --> 00:30:00,070
of cattle rustling going on and we were

685
00:30:04,830 --> 00:30:03,070
a group we had a formation of

686
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:04,840
helicopters I forget what we were doing

687
00:30:08,850 --> 00:30:07,360
and somebody called over the radio says

688
00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:08,860
you're not gonna believe this but we're

689
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:11,710
taking fire and I mean we were all

690
00:30:14,940 --> 00:30:13,330
Vietnam veteran so we were used to that

691
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:14,950
and it was some farmer down there with a

692
00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:16,330
shotgun shooting at us because he

693
00:30:19,470 --> 00:30:17,350
thought we were trying to rustle cattle

694
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,480
and I thought I said well we should

695
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:21,520
return fire for fire received because we

696
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:23,050
were flying gunships because we didn't

697
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:24,970
have the guns and we didn't have any

698
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:26,770
ammunition so we couldn't return fire

699
00:30:29,660 --> 00:30:28,720
but I thought that would be kind of fun

700
00:30:32,270 --> 00:30:29,670
well it

701
00:30:35,140 --> 00:30:32,280
happened actually helicopters were

702
00:30:37,870 --> 00:30:35,150
reported firing back at ranchers and a

703
00:30:40,250 --> 00:30:37,880
team on the ground and one incident

704
00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:40,260
actually joined in with the helicopter

705
00:30:44,660 --> 00:30:41,940
and started firing from a different

706
00:30:48,260 --> 00:30:44,670
position at the at the beleaguered

707
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:48,270
rancher and you mentioned Iowa and 72 I

708
00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:51,600
mean you forget to mention that hundreds

709
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:54,030
and hundreds of animals were being

710
00:30:58,220 --> 00:30:55,170
reported stolen

711
00:31:00,730 --> 00:30:58,230
when Russell oh yes I did the ranchers

712
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:00,740
were clearly and farmers were clearly

713
00:31:05,150 --> 00:31:03,450
right in their paranoia about the

714
00:31:07,690 --> 00:31:05,160
rustling going on because it was in fact

715
00:31:09,710 --> 00:31:07,700
going on but I will say this

716
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:09,720
unequivocally the Iowa National Guard

717
00:31:15,050 --> 00:31:13,200
never fired back at the ranchers well

718
00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:15,060
yeah and I would expect that that would

719
00:31:21,770 --> 00:31:17,820
be the case but you were flying at a

720
00:31:24,620 --> 00:31:21,780
little higher altitude for a while we in

721
00:31:27,620 --> 00:31:24,630
Vietnam we we had we usually flew at

722
00:31:30,650 --> 00:31:27,630
1500 feet which was basically a 1500

723
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:30,660
feet AGL above the ground which was in

724
00:31:35,330 --> 00:31:33,120
small arms range well just outside of

725
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:35,340
small arms range but inside 50 caliber

726
00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:37,710
range that was normally where we flew in

727
00:31:41,540 --> 00:31:40,110
between point A and point B but if we

728
00:31:43,910 --> 00:31:41,550
were doing other stuff we were getting

729
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:43,920
much closer to the ground too so so

730
00:31:48,350 --> 00:31:45,810
Brian speed and terrain masking helped

731
00:31:50,780 --> 00:31:48,360
us out yeah it's tough to hide in Iowa

732
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:50,790
it's not clearly nearly as flat as you

733
00:31:56,660 --> 00:31:53,490
might think and it's certainly not as

734
00:31:58,790 --> 00:31:56,670
bad as Nebraska yeah well then that's

735
00:32:01,970 --> 00:31:58,800
driving Interstate 80 across Nebraska

736
00:32:04,730 --> 00:32:01,980
someday yeah I've done it many times and

737
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:04,740
it takes half a day and it's really

738
00:32:11,270 --> 00:32:07,710
really boring especially back in the 80s

739
00:32:12,980 --> 00:32:11,280
when the speed limit was 55 and and you

740
00:32:14,780 --> 00:32:12,990
didn't have satellite radio so that you

741
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:14,790
can to keep searching for radio stations

742
00:32:20,150 --> 00:32:18,210
to listen to well now that's what we had

743
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,160
satellite radio for the truck drivers

744
00:32:26,930 --> 00:32:22,320
and the people driving across these

745
00:32:28,970 --> 00:32:26,940
barren desert landscapes yes yes I won't

746
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:28,980
even mention I won't even mention what

747
00:32:32,180 --> 00:32:29,910
is it uh-huh

748
00:32:36,650 --> 00:32:32,190
interstate 70 between Grand Junction and

749
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:36,660
interstate 15 across Utah well it's been

750
00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:38,370
years since I hit the interstates in the

751
00:32:42,889 --> 00:32:41,270
Midwest let's move to other topics here

752
00:32:44,779 --> 00:32:42,899
okay no more

753
00:32:47,149 --> 00:32:44,789
black helicopters ladies and gentlemen

754
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:47,159
there are no black helicopters except

755
00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:49,049
the one that I see right now flying

756
00:32:53,299 --> 00:32:50,609
above my head no that's the ceiling

757
00:32:54,739 --> 00:32:53,309
excuse me but I got fix those holes in

758
00:32:58,430 --> 00:32:54,749
the ceiling you know all right

759
00:33:02,560 --> 00:32:58,440
anyway there's a piece you have over at

760
00:33:06,499 --> 00:33:02,570
your famous your world-famous blog a

761
00:33:09,649 --> 00:33:06,509
different perspective called mj-12 the

762
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:09,659
beginning and you're referring here to

763
00:33:15,399 --> 00:33:13,289
an open minds article analyzing mj-12

764
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:15,409
and this has been one of those lingering

765
00:33:21,769 --> 00:33:18,960
controversies from the 1980s it never

766
00:33:25,099 --> 00:33:21,779
dies that there was a secret agency

767
00:33:27,859 --> 00:33:25,109
called mj-12 involved in connection with

768
00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:27,869
ufos we have these documents unearthed

769
00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:31,080
by william war and others regarding

770
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:34,409
mj-12 so what insights can you offer

771
00:33:39,469 --> 00:33:37,529
looking back at that in the 21st century

772
00:33:41,180 --> 00:33:39,479
well it's interesting you should Vince

773
00:33:42,499 --> 00:33:41,190
that mentioned that blog post because I

774
00:33:45,259 --> 00:33:42,509
put it up like an hour and a half ago

775
00:33:50,029 --> 00:33:45,269
you see how fast we are here we have a

776
00:33:53,589 --> 00:33:50,039
team of researchers called RSS you know

777
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:53,599
what that is good anyway

778
00:34:01,219 --> 00:33:58,799
Alejandro Rojas had done a piece by

779
00:34:02,239 --> 00:34:01,229
foiling attempting to FOIA information

780
00:34:04,339 --> 00:34:02,249
about mj-12

781
00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:04,349
from from the Air Force and various

782
00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:08,730
government agencies and he was

783
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,700
attempting to trace the beginnings as

784
00:34:15,289 --> 00:34:13,200
some what some people may not have

785
00:34:18,409 --> 00:34:15,299
understood how it came about or what was

786
00:34:19,940 --> 00:34:18,419
going on some of the the things that he

787
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:19,950
mentioned in the piece were little-known

788
00:34:24,799 --> 00:34:24,000
facts about the Eisenhower briefing

789
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:24,809
document

790
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:28,079
Richard Dodie's role in it role in it

791
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:29,760
his connection to Bill Moore the

792
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:33,359
attempts to force some of this

793
00:34:38,269 --> 00:34:36,000
information on Linda Moulton Howe are

794
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:38,279
they the attempts to push some of the

795
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:42,480
information on Benowitz who was a

796
00:34:48,430 --> 00:34:44,490
scientist living in the Albuquerque area

797
00:34:52,190 --> 00:34:48,440
at the time who thought he was recording

798
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,200
messages from from outer space although

799
00:34:55,819 --> 00:34:54,240
I think they're the the idea now is that

800
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:55,829
he was he'd actually tapped into some

801
00:34:59,830 --> 00:34:56,850
kind of

802
00:35:02,630 --> 00:34:59,840
low frequency communications between

803
00:35:04,580 --> 00:35:02,640
various government agencies military

804
00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:04,590
organizations and so they were

805
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:06,510
attempting to lead him astray and that

806
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,160
at least according to dou T so

807
00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:11,040
Alejandro's in his article looks at all

808
00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:13,380
of that sort of thing

809
00:35:18,110 --> 00:35:16,020
and and bringing all of that sort of

810
00:35:21,980 --> 00:35:18,120
into perspective for those who may not

811
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:21,990
have been that keyed into what the

812
00:35:27,170 --> 00:35:24,330
beginnings of mj-12 and what I did was I

813
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:27,180
just added a couple of points I thought

814
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:29,370
were important one of which was Bill

815
00:35:36,020 --> 00:35:32,310
Moore saying to a number of researchers

816
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:36,030
it in 1980 1981 that he'd run into this

817
00:35:40,190 --> 00:35:38,490
roadblock this blank wall he couldn't

818
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break through on his roswell researching

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was thinking about creating some kind of

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a roswell document that would help him

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00:35:47,660 --> 00:35:45,960
the idea being I guess showing it to

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some reluctant witnesses the show that

823
00:35:51,740 --> 00:35:49,440
we have this information that what do

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you make of it or convincing other

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people to talk and lo and behold not not

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too long after that his friend James

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Chen Dara receives the mj-12 documents

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on undeveloped 35 millimeter film and

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the other thing that I I fell free

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demand Friedman told me that while we

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were in California he knows and I he

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said it but there were other people who

833
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heard that story from for more or more

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you know bouncing the idea off them so

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she's not me saying that without any

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kind of collaborative evidence that

837
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story is out there and and I put a

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couple of links up to other articles

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that mentioned the same sort of thing

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one unfortunately in linking to Phil

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class which I hesitated to put up but it

842
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just shows that information coming from

843
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other researchers as well let's see the

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this is a skirt 70 author of you up on

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the street singer and listening to the

951
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para Cass Chris is now trying to sound

952
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:17,700
like a roll of film 35 millimeter film

953
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:22,050
from the 1980s film boy those were the

954
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:22,530
days

955
00:41:30,370 --> 00:41:26,130
Kevin Randall is reacquainting us with

956
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:30,380
the legend of mj-12 that never goes away

957
00:41:33,350 --> 00:41:31,890
continue please

958
00:41:35,780 --> 00:41:33,360
and I certainly wish it what I think it

959
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:35,790
should be a footnote to the history of

960
00:41:40,010 --> 00:41:38,460
UFOs and we should move on from that the

961
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:40,020
other thing that's interesting is the

962
00:41:44,420 --> 00:41:42,510
story originally broke was broken by

963
00:41:45,710 --> 00:41:44,430
Timothy good in Great Britain and he had

964
00:41:47,630 --> 00:41:45,720
the documents he went to a newspaper

965
00:41:49,310 --> 00:41:47,640
there and they published them and they

966
00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:49,320
show up in his book above top secret

967
00:41:55,340 --> 00:41:51,420
which I think was a copyright date of

968
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:55,350
1988 but on the copies that he prints in

969
00:42:00,670 --> 00:41:58,410
his book there's this Chevron like

970
00:42:02,990 --> 00:42:00,680
marking a three three stripes that

971
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,000
floats on the pages it shows up in

972
00:42:07,490 --> 00:42:05,280
various pages places on the pages which

973
00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:07,500
suggest it's an artifact created by that

974
00:42:11,090 --> 00:42:09,420
specific copy machine as opposed to

975
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:11,100
something that was on the the original

976
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:14,760
film and interestingly enough but same

977
00:42:19,070 --> 00:42:17,010
Chevron shows up in copies that bill

978
00:42:21,170 --> 00:42:19,080
Moore had so bill Moore's got the

979
00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:21,180
original documents so he doesn't need a

980
00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:23,400
Xerox copy but it's clear that the Xerox

981
00:42:28,610 --> 00:42:25,260
copies the good had came from more

982
00:42:30,170 --> 00:42:28,620
because Moore's copies of Xerox copies

983
00:42:31,850 --> 00:42:30,180
have that same artifact in different

984
00:42:34,340 --> 00:42:31,860
locations so it's a floating artifact

985
00:42:36,020 --> 00:42:34,350
it's obviously from that specific copier

986
00:42:39,020 --> 00:42:36,030
it's a finger print so we can trace all

987
00:42:41,630 --> 00:42:39,030
the mj-12 documents back to Bill Moore

988
00:42:43,870 --> 00:42:41,640
including those that Timothy good had so

989
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:43,880
I you know I mentioned that as sort of a

990
00:42:49,730 --> 00:42:46,650
III guess additional information that

991
00:42:52,670 --> 00:42:49,740
Antonio's Ross had produced in his 30

992
00:42:54,740 --> 00:42:52,680
minute piece on YouTube about mj-12 in

993
00:42:57,470 --> 00:42:54,750
the beginning so we can look at this and

994
00:43:00,110 --> 00:42:57,480
we see that it all relates back to Bill

995
00:43:02,180 --> 00:43:00,120
Moore and Jamie Shandra and in fact

996
00:43:04,310 --> 00:43:02,190
there was a document called the Aquarius

997
00:43:06,620 --> 00:43:04,320
telex and I think I think Antonio

998
00:43:09,590 --> 00:43:06,630
mentions this as well which mentions M

999
00:43:12,110 --> 00:43:09,600
date Jay twelve on it but what we learn

1000
00:43:12,910 --> 00:43:12,120
by looking at that is it is a retype

1001
00:43:15,550 --> 00:43:12,920
version of

1002
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:15,560
authentic document that came from the

1003
00:43:20,590 --> 00:43:18,710
OSI and Bill Moore admitted to dick Hall

1004
00:43:22,180 --> 00:43:20,600
that he retype it he said the copy he

1005
00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:22,190
had was so poor you couldn't read it so

1006
00:43:25,930 --> 00:43:24,110
what he did was he retyped it and pasted

1007
00:43:28,450 --> 00:43:25,940
on the headings so would it have the

1008
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:28,460
look of an official document so we can

1009
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:30,890
trace a fake document the acquiring of

1010
00:43:36,310 --> 00:43:32,930
telex back to Bill Moore and when I

1011
00:43:39,850 --> 00:43:36,320
queried both Dan Freedman and why I

1012
00:43:41,740 --> 00:43:39,860
would about the Aquarius telex they they

1013
00:43:44,050 --> 00:43:41,750
never answered my questions about it I

1014
00:43:46,060 --> 00:43:44,060
said you know Friedman said that he

1015
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:46,070
doesn't even mention it in his book and

1016
00:43:48,940 --> 00:43:47,510
I'm thinking here's the first document

1017
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:48,950
that ever was released into a public

1018
00:43:55,180 --> 00:43:52,250
arena that mentions mj-12 and it's a

1019
00:43:57,970 --> 00:43:55,190
known hoax and it's admitted hoax but we

1020
00:43:59,530 --> 00:43:57,980
just sort of ignore that that whole

1021
00:44:02,350 --> 00:43:59,540
thing okay well there's an obvious

1022
00:44:05,620 --> 00:44:02,360
implication here and let me just drop it

1023
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:05,630
by you which is that if these things are

1024
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:08,450
fake william moore had some connection

1025
00:44:12,430 --> 00:44:10,880
with that i think the evidence is

1026
00:44:14,110 --> 00:44:12,440
becoming overwhelming that bill Moore

1027
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:14,120
had some kind of connection with that

1028
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:17,330
bill more committed youth illogical

1029
00:44:23,170 --> 00:44:21,050
suicide in 1989 at a conference in Las

1030
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:23,180
Vegas where he suggested he'd been

1031
00:44:29,140 --> 00:44:25,330
working as part of a disinformation

1032
00:44:32,650 --> 00:44:29,150
campaign to Lee false information into

1033
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:32,660
the UFO community and from that point on

1034
00:44:40,410 --> 00:44:35,210
he's been pretty well a pariah in the

1035
00:44:42,370 --> 00:44:40,420
UFO field but he also talks about and

1036
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:42,380
there's good evidence from Barry

1037
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:46,330
Greenwood and Brad sparks that more

1038
00:44:51,220 --> 00:44:48,770
working with Bob Pratt and Bob Pratt

1039
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:51,230
being an innocent bystander in this

1040
00:44:56,170 --> 00:44:53,930
we're producing a book in 1980 but

1041
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:56,180
mentions mj-12 dimensions this whole

1042
00:45:00,010 --> 00:44:57,680
sort of thing it was called and the

1043
00:45:01,870 --> 00:45:00,020
original title was project Aquarius so

1044
00:45:05,370 --> 00:45:01,880
this is like four years before the

1045
00:45:08,890 --> 00:45:05,380
documents show up in Jamie's and Aris

1046
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:08,900
mailbox but it's more talking about this

1047
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:11,330
whole sort of thing using the same sort

1048
00:45:15,550 --> 00:45:14,000
of terminology the dating format goes

1049
00:45:17,530 --> 00:45:15,560
right back to Bill Moore because it's an

1050
00:45:19,630 --> 00:45:17,540
unusual dating format but it shows up in

1051
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:19,640
the mj-12 documents I think it all links

1052
00:45:25,180 --> 00:45:22,370
back to Bill Moore pretty clearly is the

1053
00:45:26,769 --> 00:45:25,190
guy who created the documents and

1054
00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:26,779
created them the

1055
00:45:32,140 --> 00:45:29,150
cuz he thought it was a good idea at the

1056
00:45:34,689 --> 00:45:32,150
time a good idea at the time

1057
00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:34,699
maybe he thought he was bringing out his

1058
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:37,849
inner gray Barker and Jim Mosley I don't

1059
00:45:41,890 --> 00:45:40,640
know what yeah I can kind of understand

1060
00:45:45,069 --> 00:45:41,900
it if you're if you're trying to

1061
00:45:46,809 --> 00:45:45,079
convince reluctant witnesses to talk to

1062
00:45:48,609 --> 00:45:46,819
you and you have a document that pretty

1063
00:45:50,469 --> 00:45:48,619
well tells the story that they might be

1064
00:45:53,649 --> 00:45:50,479
they might be more willing to speak

1065
00:45:54,909 --> 00:45:53,659
about these secrets although those of us

1066
00:45:57,939 --> 00:45:54,919
who were clever enough would know that

1067
00:45:59,739 --> 00:45:57,949
that that wouldn't work on some people

1068
00:46:02,949 --> 00:45:59,749
but it would you being a little too kind

1069
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:02,959
there well when I was doing some

1070
00:46:08,289 --> 00:46:05,359
research into the Washington Nationals I

1071
00:46:11,049 --> 00:46:08,299
think it was out chop who was the Air

1072
00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:11,059
Force liaison the civilian public

1073
00:46:15,009 --> 00:46:13,849
affairs guy in the Pentagon in 1952 was

1074
00:46:17,019 --> 00:46:15,019
telling me about the Washington

1075
00:46:18,729 --> 00:46:17,029
Nationals and that one of the sightings

1076
00:46:20,709 --> 00:46:18,739
had gotten pretty hairy and I said what

1077
00:46:23,620 --> 00:46:20,719
can you tell me about and I really can't

1078
00:46:26,859 --> 00:46:23,630
well Dewey fournaye who was running the

1079
00:46:28,809 --> 00:46:26,869
UFO desk in the Pentagon at the time was

1080
00:46:30,849 --> 00:46:28,819
in the same room with woodchop when this

1081
00:46:32,949 --> 00:46:30,859
all took place so I was talking to do.we

1082
00:46:34,179 --> 00:46:32,959
for analyses and I said well you know I

1083
00:46:35,620 --> 00:46:34,189
was talking about shopping he talked

1084
00:46:37,269 --> 00:46:35,630
about this one sighting I got pretty

1085
00:46:38,949 --> 00:46:37,279
hairy and foreign aid told me all about

1086
00:46:40,779 --> 00:46:38,959
it cuz I had that one little piece of

1087
00:46:42,849 --> 00:46:40,789
evidence or information I could share

1088
00:46:44,679 --> 00:46:42,859
with you I'll chop told me that one of

1089
00:46:46,209 --> 00:46:44,689
the sightings got pretty hairy and and

1090
00:46:48,339 --> 00:46:46,219
do we form a thought I knew everything

1091
00:46:50,019 --> 00:46:48,349
so he was just confirming confirming the

1092
00:46:52,479 --> 00:46:50,029
information so it you know that sort of

1093
00:46:55,179 --> 00:46:52,489
thing works but creating a fault

1094
00:46:58,209 --> 00:46:55,189
document what you end up risking is when

1095
00:46:59,890 --> 00:46:58,219
it is exposed as being fraudulent you've

1096
00:47:01,179 --> 00:46:59,900
pretty well negated all the research

1097
00:47:02,890 --> 00:47:01,189
that you've done up to that point

1098
00:47:04,929 --> 00:47:02,900
especially if you're the creator if

1099
00:47:07,449 --> 00:47:04,939
you've fallen for the document not quite

1100
00:47:10,149 --> 00:47:07,459
as deadly as having created to document

1101
00:47:12,130 --> 00:47:10,159
yourself what bothers me also here is

1102
00:47:13,959 --> 00:47:12,140
some people like Stanton Friedman who

1103
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:13,969
should know better it's still

1104
00:47:18,609 --> 00:47:15,890
maintaining that at least some of these

1105
00:47:21,909 --> 00:47:18,619
mj-12 documents are genuine or has he

1106
00:47:23,679 --> 00:47:21,919
changed no no and I pointed out to him

1107
00:47:25,929 --> 00:47:23,689
that I think there's a fatal flaw in the

1108
00:47:28,749 --> 00:47:25,939
and the I now a briefing document is

1109
00:47:31,179 --> 00:47:28,759
this alleged crash that took place on

1110
00:47:34,059 --> 00:47:31,189
December 6 1954 d'ang to the mj-12

1111
00:47:35,709 --> 00:47:34,069
document and it's based on the testimony

1112
00:47:37,989 --> 00:47:35,719
of a guy who claimed to be an Air Force

1113
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:37,999
colonel and a fighter pilot and I

1114
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:40,610
discovered the guy was probably not me

1115
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:42,890
force was not a fighter pilot his

1116
00:47:48,610 --> 00:47:45,890
military experience was as a low-ranking

1117
00:47:51,010 --> 00:47:48,620
enlisted man from for about 13 months in

1118
00:47:53,290 --> 00:47:51,020
the late 40s but his military career was

1119
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:53,300
mainly made up of being in the Civil Air

1120
00:48:00,700 --> 00:47:55,850
Patrol which is a civilian organization

1121
00:48:03,580 --> 00:48:00,710
and so if that paragraph is bogus based

1122
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:03,590
on this story that was made up in 1968

1123
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:06,290
you've now negated the entire Eisenhower

1124
00:48:11,350 --> 00:48:08,090
briefing document because clearly it was

1125
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:11,360
something created long after 1952 when

1126
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,370
it was supposedly written he was created

1127
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:15,440
sometime after 1968 when this guy

1128
00:48:21,010 --> 00:48:18,650
started telling this bogus tale huh the

1129
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:21,020
point was Dan said to me I was probably

1130
00:48:24,820 --> 00:48:22,400
right about the guy but I was wrong

1131
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:24,830
about the mj-12 document this is never

1132
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:25,520
gonna end

1133
00:48:29,230 --> 00:48:27,530
I mean you can't give a good hoax down

1134
00:48:31,630 --> 00:48:29,240
this is part of the problem in the UFO

1135
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:31,640
field now why so many people call it

1136
00:48:36,820 --> 00:48:34,160
toxic which is that when you take a

1137
00:48:40,510 --> 00:48:36,830
piece of information and you demonstrate

1138
00:48:44,770 --> 00:48:40,520
for once and for all that piece of

1139
00:48:47,650 --> 00:48:44,780
information has no reality to it it's a

1140
00:48:48,460 --> 00:48:47,660
fake as a composite whatever it never

1141
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:48,470
disappears

1142
00:48:53,470 --> 00:48:51,440
I was joking for example in the first

1143
00:48:55,180 --> 00:48:53,480
part of the show before you came on that

1144
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:55,190
there is a composite picture of me

1145
00:49:00,310 --> 00:48:58,400
online somebody took my face and

1146
00:49:01,780 --> 00:49:00,320
manipulated that didn't make me look bad

1147
00:49:03,730 --> 00:49:01,790
yeah maybe it looks better some people

1148
00:49:05,380 --> 00:49:03,740
might think so and because I don't wear

1149
00:49:08,140 --> 00:49:05,390
a suit they had me wearing a suit

1150
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:08,150
they put a suit on me and Photoshop now

1151
00:49:14,140 --> 00:49:10,370
that picture will never be taken down

1152
00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:14,150
it's an obvious fake and I could say to

1153
00:49:18,580 --> 00:49:17,030
Google or anyone hey this is a fake

1154
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,590
picture of me take it down they're not

1155
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:20,720
going to do it well even if they even

1156
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:22,970
let's say let's say Google says okay

1157
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:24,290
it's fake we're gonna take it down

1158
00:49:32,140 --> 00:49:26,330
somebody else is gonna post it somewhere

1159
00:49:34,740 --> 00:49:32,150
else and any time you you you suggest

1160
00:49:38,110 --> 00:49:34,750
someone's favorite case might be bogus

1161
00:49:41,410 --> 00:49:38,120
mj-12 for example suddenly you're not a

1162
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:41,420
researcher you're a debunker right and

1163
00:49:45,610 --> 00:49:43,760
that's and let's let splash that mud all

1164
00:49:46,810 --> 00:49:45,620
over your a debunker therefore I'm not

1165
00:49:49,260 --> 00:49:46,820
gonna listen to anything you say

1166
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:49,270
no matter what evidence you present

1167
00:49:56,050 --> 00:49:53,930
showing that your analysis is accurate

1168
00:50:01,240 --> 00:49:56,060
you're a debunker and there's one guy

1169
00:50:03,010 --> 00:50:01,250
that chases me on on Amazon and no

1170
00:50:06,250 --> 00:50:03,020
matter what book I publish he public he

1171
00:50:07,930 --> 00:50:06,260
always puts up a negative review doesn't

1172
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:07,940
one star and a negative review and it's

1173
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:10,250
clear he's reacting to two words which

1174
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:12,050
is Kevin Randle on the book he hasn't

1175
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:14,570
read the book apparently I have offended

1176
00:50:19,060 --> 00:50:16,610
him and he believes that I'm nothing but

1177
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,070
a baddie bunker and so he always puts

1178
00:50:23,860 --> 00:50:21,920
that in in the reviews of the books so

1179
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,870
you know there's there's there's really

1180
00:50:27,010 --> 00:50:25,520
nothing you know and the other thing

1181
00:50:28,930 --> 00:50:27,020
about the reviews on Amazon that cracked

1182
00:50:30,460 --> 00:50:28,940
me up they're anonymous you don't have

1183
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:30,470
to put your name you can create a fake

1184
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:33,680
and at the name and and so I can say

1185
00:50:36,580 --> 00:50:35,210
anything I want about anybody and

1186
00:50:39,610 --> 00:50:36,590
there's nothing you can do about it

1187
00:50:40,780 --> 00:50:39,620
because I'm hidden behind this anonymous

1188
00:50:43,930 --> 00:50:40,790
name I created

1189
00:50:47,890 --> 00:50:43,940
yes but Amazon knows the name and if you

1190
00:50:49,470 --> 00:50:47,900
complain to Amazon they will sometimes

1191
00:50:52,450 --> 00:50:49,480
take it down I've seen some really

1192
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:52,460
offensive reviews for some things I've

1193
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:55,040
written and it's obvious it's a personal

1194
00:50:59,530 --> 00:50:57,770
attack they'll take it down because it's

1195
00:51:01,450 --> 00:50:59,540
not fair to you or to anybody if

1196
00:51:03,940 --> 00:51:01,460
somebody wants to buy a copy of a book

1197
00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:03,950
and get a sense of it like Chris wrote

1198
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:06,110
the books talking of the heard and most

1199
00:51:09,790 --> 00:51:07,760
people like it I think one we had only

1200
00:51:12,850 --> 00:51:09,800
one negative review out of all of it

1201
00:51:15,070 --> 00:51:12,860
which is amazing because in this crazy

1202
00:51:16,780 --> 00:51:15,080
world in this polarized world there are

1203
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:16,790
lots of different opinions but some of

1204
00:51:21,940 --> 00:51:19,730
these reviews it is a game and sometimes

1205
00:51:24,460 --> 00:51:21,950
you can get them to take down the fake

1206
00:51:26,530 --> 00:51:24,470
ones Kevin Randle is talking about the

1207
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:26,540
government UFO FILES and other stuff

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00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:28,310
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1264
00:54:03,720 --> 00:53:59,380
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1266
00:54:14,380 --> 00:54:12,290
here's Jane Steinberg this is the para

1267
00:54:15,820 --> 00:54:14,390
cast Kevin Randall joins us we're always

1268
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:15,830
happy to have him on because he's a

1269
00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:19,520
wealth of information now in researching

1270
00:54:24,430 --> 00:54:22,310
the government UFO FILES did you find

1271
00:54:26,290 --> 00:54:24,440
any particular cases or legends or

1272
00:54:29,610 --> 00:54:26,300
anything that you thought may have been

1273
00:54:32,170 --> 00:54:29,620
true but this research showed otherwise

1274
00:54:34,270 --> 00:54:32,180
yeah well there's one that springs to

1275
00:54:36,820 --> 00:54:34,280
mind immediately and it's only because

1276
00:54:40,180 --> 00:54:36,830
it's here in Cedar Rapids Iowa I was

1277
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:40,190
looking for stories of people reporting

1278
00:54:47,020 --> 00:54:42,410
a disc-shaped object prior to Arnold in

1279
00:54:52,090 --> 00:54:47,030
June 24 1947 because the skeptic

1280
00:54:54,370 --> 00:54:52,100
argument is the idea of a disc-shaped a

1281
00:54:56,350 --> 00:54:54,380
flying saucer came from a

1282
00:54:57,730 --> 00:54:56,360
misunderstanding of what Arnold had said

1283
00:54:59,530 --> 00:54:57,740
he wasn't describing the shape of the

1284
00:55:02,680 --> 00:54:59,540
objects he was describing their motion

1285
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:02,690
as a saucer skipping across the pond so

1286
00:55:06,250 --> 00:55:04,250
the skeptical argument says everybody

1287
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:06,260
was seeing flying saucers even though

1288
00:55:11,410 --> 00:55:08,330
the objects hadn't been saucer shaped so

1289
00:55:14,500 --> 00:55:11,420
I was looking for any stories that I

1290
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:14,510
could document prior to Arnold talking

1291
00:55:17,530 --> 00:55:15,680
about this case and if we go back

1292
00:55:20,530 --> 00:55:17,540
further enough to history we could do it

1293
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:20,540
but there was a story in a number of

1294
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:22,640
places I found it about a railroad

1295
00:55:28,660 --> 00:55:25,310
engineer in Cedar Rapids Iowa walking

1296
00:55:30,220 --> 00:55:28,670
along and seeing ten disc shaped objects

1297
00:55:32,620 --> 00:55:30,230
fly overhead and it was published in the

1298
00:55:35,290 --> 00:55:32,630
newspaper on June 23rd the day before

1299
00:55:38,260 --> 00:55:35,300
Arnold I thought this is a great story

1300
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:38,270
and I looked at dick halls UFO evidence

1301
00:55:42,730 --> 00:55:40,130
and it's in there and it says June 23rd

1302
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:42,740
and I found a couple of other places and

1303
00:55:47,740 --> 00:55:44,720
I could find some footnotes for it that

1304
00:55:49,630 --> 00:55:47,750
led me back to 1956 and I couldn't find

1305
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:49,640
anything earlier that in the in the

1306
00:55:53,950 --> 00:55:51,680
books and I thought you know I live in

1307
00:55:56,590 --> 00:55:53,960
Cedar Rapids Iowa I'll just go down and

1308
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:56,600
looked at the newspaper file so I went

1309
00:55:59,560 --> 00:55:58,160
down to the library discovered there

1310
00:56:02,080 --> 00:55:59,570
actually two newspapers in Cedar Rapids

1311
00:56:04,030 --> 00:56:02,090
at the time one was a weekly and didn't

1312
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:04,040
publish on June 23rd so that was pretty

1313
00:56:08,740 --> 00:56:06,290
well out and I was looking at the Cedar

1314
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:08,750
Rapids Gazette and I read the entire

1315
00:56:13,060 --> 00:56:10,850
June 23rd newspaper and the story was

1316
00:56:15,010 --> 00:56:13,070
not there I couldn't find it

1317
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:15,020
I found the Arnold story like two or

1318
00:56:19,810 --> 00:56:17,210
three days later and in the same

1319
00:56:23,020 --> 00:56:19,820
newspaper with the Arnold story I found

1320
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:23,030
a reference to the engineer story in

1321
00:56:26,020 --> 00:56:25,370
Cedar Rapids Iowa except it wasn't Cedar

1322
00:56:29,170 --> 00:56:26,030
Rapids

1323
00:56:31,810 --> 00:56:29,180
it was Joliet in Illinois he didn't say

1324
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:31,820
anything about it until a couple of days

1325
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:34,610
after Arnold so there was no

1326
00:56:40,300 --> 00:56:37,040
documentation prior to it and it was a

1327
00:56:44,050 --> 00:56:40,310
single witness case but looking at what

1328
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:44,060
I thought of as fairly good references

1329
00:56:49,660 --> 00:56:46,970
dick halls UFO evidence he hadn't chased

1330
00:56:51,700 --> 00:56:49,670
it back to the ultimate source which was

1331
00:56:53,980 --> 00:56:51,710
the Cedar Rapids Gazette I actually five

1332
00:56:55,690 --> 00:56:53,990
I found the story so that was one where

1333
00:56:57,820 --> 00:56:55,700
the research took me and I could do it

1334
00:56:59,950 --> 00:56:57,830
because I lived in Cedar Rapids and I

1335
00:57:02,020 --> 00:56:59,960
could see that the story appeared the

1336
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:02,030
newspaper but it did not appear on June

1337
00:57:06,550 --> 00:57:03,520
23rd which would have been a wonderful

1338
00:57:08,620 --> 00:57:06,560
bit of evidence had we been able to to

1339
00:57:10,330 --> 00:57:08,630
corroborate it so there were things like

1340
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:10,340
that that went wrong doesn't mean the

1341
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:11,570
story wasn't true

1342
00:57:15,850 --> 00:57:13,490
it just means I couldn't hold it up as

1343
00:57:17,710 --> 00:57:15,860
you know here's a story published in the

1344
00:57:19,630 --> 00:57:17,720
newspaper prior to Arnold talking about

1345
00:57:21,580 --> 00:57:19,640
a disc-shaped object it was after Arnold

1346
00:57:23,140 --> 00:57:21,590
talking about it I believe it happened

1347
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:23,150
on the same day and I think I know what

1348
00:57:27,610 --> 00:57:25,370
happened it's Frank Edwards thought that

1349
00:57:29,050 --> 00:57:27,620
the day it happened was a day earlier it

1350
00:57:32,620 --> 00:57:29,060
was like on when's Wednesday is I think

1351
00:57:34,780 --> 00:57:32,630
was June 24th in 1947 and I think

1352
00:57:36,550 --> 00:57:34,790
Edwards thought it happened on Tuesday

1353
00:57:38,860 --> 00:57:36,560
the day before based on what the

1354
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:38,870
newspaper article said and so he thought

1355
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:41,450
it was June 23rd and and didn't realize

1356
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:42,770
that the paper had actually been

1357
00:57:46,990 --> 00:57:44,570
published three or four days after

1358
00:57:49,210 --> 00:57:47,000
Arnold so that was one thing and it's

1359
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:49,220
not a major discovery but what it does

1360
00:57:54,850 --> 00:57:52,730
is suggest we need to verify our

1361
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:54,860
information from the original sources as

1362
00:58:00,940 --> 00:57:57,680
opposed to looking at other sources

1363
00:58:02,830 --> 00:58:00,950
other other UFO books where they they

1364
00:58:04,690 --> 00:58:02,840
don't document where what the source

1365
00:58:06,610 --> 00:58:04,700
came from and early UFO books as you

1366
00:58:08,410 --> 00:58:06,620
know they didn't bother with footnotes

1367
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:08,420
or any of that sort of thing and I think

1368
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:09,920
Frank Edwards basically wrote from

1369
00:58:14,830 --> 00:58:11,510
memory and he didn't check his facts so

1370
00:58:16,330 --> 00:58:14,840
we got things slightly askew but it

1371
00:58:17,950 --> 00:58:16,340
doesn't mean the stories aren't true it

1372
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:17,960
just means we need to follow them to the

1373
00:58:21,610 --> 00:58:20,000
ultimate source the original source if

1374
00:58:22,259 --> 00:58:21,620
we can do so that's one thing I've

1375
00:58:25,630 --> 00:58:22,269
noticed you

1376
00:58:28,420 --> 00:58:25,640
recent books and that is that you take a

1377
00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:28,430
story and you look at the source and

1378
00:58:32,140 --> 00:58:30,529
sometimes the story is source somewhere

1379
00:58:34,420 --> 00:58:32,150
else somebody is quoting somebody who's

1380
00:58:36,130 --> 00:58:34,430
quoting somebody and sometimes the facts

1381
00:58:38,140 --> 00:58:36,140
are fairly similar sometimes it's a

1382
00:58:40,569 --> 00:58:38,150
completely different story but I want to

1383
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:40,579
ask you that question then in and around

1384
00:58:46,690 --> 00:58:42,319
the time of the Arnold sighting

1385
00:58:49,450 --> 00:58:46,700
before or after were there cases of UFOs

1386
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:49,460
seen information that were similar to

1387
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:51,440
what Arnold reported either before or

1388
00:58:55,779 --> 00:58:53,930
after one of the things that I was

1389
00:58:57,549 --> 00:58:55,789
looking for there was a number of

1390
00:59:01,930 --> 00:58:57,559
sightings that came out of Richmond

1391
00:59:03,309 --> 00:59:01,940
Virginia in March of 1947 that case is

1392
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:03,319
not in Project Blue Book there are a

1393
00:59:06,670 --> 00:59:05,119
number of cases in Blue Book prior to

1394
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:06,680
Arnold they were reported after Arnold

1395
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:08,930
obviously but the information was

1396
00:59:13,420 --> 00:59:11,839
gathered after Arnold here's a case that

1397
00:59:16,809 --> 00:59:13,430
was supposedly reported to the guy

1398
00:59:19,630 --> 00:59:16,819
superiors at the weather service prior

1399
00:59:22,450 --> 00:59:19,640
to Arnold and it's mentioned it's it's

1400
00:59:24,039 --> 00:59:22,460
mentioned in various books but the

1401
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:24,049
interesting thing is there's no case

1402
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:25,609
file in the project Bluebook clause but

1403
00:59:30,609 --> 00:59:28,880
if you go through the final report on

1404
00:59:34,029 --> 00:59:30,619
project grudge and you have to remember

1405
00:59:37,059 --> 00:59:34,039
that the first original official

1406
00:59:38,769 --> 00:59:37,069
investigation was signed which evolved

1407
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:38,779
into grudge which evolved into Blue Book

1408
00:59:42,900 --> 00:59:41,089
and at the end of grudge they produced a

1409
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:42,910
four hundred five hundred page document

1410
00:59:47,799 --> 00:59:46,160
about UFO sightings and this sighting

1411
00:59:50,859 --> 00:59:47,809
from the Weather Service in Richmond

1412
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:50,869
Virginia is mentioned in The Grudge

1413
00:59:55,390 --> 00:59:53,359
report no case file so you wonder where

1414
00:59:57,130 --> 00:59:55,400
the case file went with what disappeared

1415
00:59:59,859 --> 00:59:57,140
but here would be a case where you've

1416
01:00:02,049 --> 00:59:59,869
got stuff prior to Arnold talking about

1417
01:00:04,059 --> 01:00:02,059
disc shaped objects but we can't find

1418
01:00:05,859 --> 01:00:04,069
the case file because it was removed

1419
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:05,869
from Project Blue Book which leads to

1420
01:00:11,019 --> 01:00:08,960
another point which is there's a guy

1421
01:00:13,359 --> 01:00:11,029
named Howard McCoy who was an

1422
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:13,369
intelligence officer at Wright Field in

1423
01:00:18,370 --> 01:00:16,130
1947 in the night in the during World

1424
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:18,380
War two he was an intelligence officer

1425
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:20,960
in Europe and he's investigating the Foo

1426
01:00:25,329 --> 01:00:22,609
Fighters when you get to the ghost

1427
01:00:27,099 --> 01:00:25,339
rockets from Sweden in 1946 you find

1428
01:00:28,569 --> 01:00:27,109
this guy from the United States

1429
01:00:31,299 --> 01:00:28,579
investigating ghosts rockets in the

1430
01:00:33,339 --> 01:00:31,309
towered McCoy and he's gathering all

1431
01:00:35,890 --> 01:00:33,349
this information about the ghost rockets

1432
01:00:37,839 --> 01:00:35,900
in December of 1946 McCoy

1433
01:00:39,490 --> 01:00:37,849
is told to set up an unofficial

1434
01:00:41,650 --> 01:00:39,500
investigation of these things these

1435
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:41,660
strange aerial phenomenon and it's based

1436
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:44,089
in a single room at Wright Field the

1437
01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:45,710
room is locked he and two three other

1438
01:00:48,339 --> 01:00:47,089
guys have access to it but they're

1439
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:48,349
gathering all this information in

1440
01:00:51,849 --> 01:00:50,240
closing the ghost rocket stuff when

1441
01:00:53,740 --> 01:00:51,859
Arnold sighting happens and they start

1442
01:00:55,930 --> 01:00:53,750
the official investigations all that

1443
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:55,940
information that they gathered prior to

1444
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:56,450
Arnold

1445
01:01:00,670 --> 01:00:58,160
now disappears there's virtually nothing

1446
01:01:02,620 --> 01:01:00,680
about the ghost rockets in the project

1447
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:02,630
Bluebook files but there should be

1448
01:01:06,190 --> 01:01:04,490
because the information was gathered so

1449
01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:06,200
weird all that information go yeah

1450
01:01:10,210 --> 01:01:08,510
really well Jimmy Doolittle also went

1451
01:01:12,819 --> 01:01:10,220
over there and investigated the ghost

1452
01:01:14,319 --> 01:01:12,829
rockets if I remember correctly but see

1453
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:14,329
Jimmy Doolittle was involved in the

1454
01:01:18,130 --> 01:01:16,250
ghost fire its but not in project sign

1455
01:01:20,170 --> 01:01:18,140
and not in project garage-door was he

1456
01:01:22,059 --> 01:01:20,180
involved with the Foo Fighters the guy

1457
01:01:24,279 --> 01:01:22,069
who was involved in all of that was

1458
01:01:25,839 --> 01:01:24,289
Howard McCoy so you've got a guy in

1459
01:01:27,549 --> 01:01:25,849
World War two they're looking at this

1460
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:27,559
very seriously because they're worried

1461
01:01:31,900 --> 01:01:29,930
about being some kind of an enemy at a

1462
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:31,910
aircraft development you know they don't

1463
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:33,200
know whose it is they don't know what's

1464
01:01:36,579 --> 01:01:34,640
going on but they're looking at it when

1465
01:01:38,349 --> 01:01:36,589
the war ends nobody cares anymore

1466
01:01:40,180 --> 01:01:38,359
because the war's over and they find out

1467
01:01:41,859 --> 01:01:40,190
that the Germans had the same concerns

1468
01:01:44,349 --> 01:01:41,869
with the Foo Fighters they were seen in

1469
01:01:46,210 --> 01:01:44,359
the Pacific Theater and the Japanese had

1470
01:01:47,859 --> 01:01:46,220
the same concerns about the Foo Fighters

1471
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:47,869
but the guy involved in all of that was

1472
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:50,000
Howard McCoy so when you start with the

1473
01:01:53,500 --> 01:01:51,650
ghost rockets which everybody thought

1474
01:01:55,299 --> 01:01:53,510
was some kind of a Soviet political

1475
01:01:57,819 --> 01:01:55,309
attempt to intimidate the Swedes for

1476
01:01:59,289 --> 01:01:57,829
example or the Scandinavians and we find

1477
01:02:01,180 --> 01:01:59,299
out now that of course that isn't true

1478
01:02:03,370 --> 01:02:01,190
but the guy investigating its Howard

1479
01:02:05,170 --> 01:02:03,380
McCoy so now the guy is involved in Foo

1480
01:02:07,299 --> 01:02:05,180
Fighters and ghost Rockets and and then

1481
01:02:09,309 --> 01:02:07,309
the early flying disc stuff before

1482
01:02:11,260 --> 01:02:09,319
Arnold they're investigating these

1483
01:02:13,630 --> 01:02:11,270
things in the United States all that

1484
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:13,640
information is basically disappeared so

1485
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:15,410
McCoy had it and you wonder what

1486
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:16,640
happened to it but what coy is

1487
01:02:20,349 --> 01:02:18,410
uninvolved in that and then when we get

1488
01:02:23,019 --> 01:02:20,359
to the estimate of the situation that

1489
01:02:25,420 --> 01:02:23,029
spawned Twinings letter that said the

1490
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:25,430
phenomenon is something real and not

1491
01:02:28,809 --> 01:02:27,650
illusionary and fictitious and then of

1492
01:02:30,819 --> 01:02:28,819
course mentioned there was no crash

1493
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:30,829
recovered debris which everybody thinks

1494
01:02:34,359 --> 01:02:33,170
rules out blahs well but the thing is

1495
01:02:37,180 --> 01:02:34,369
who wrote the letter

1496
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:37,190
Howard McCoy he wrote it in response to

1497
01:02:40,089 --> 01:02:38,930
the specific information that was handed

1498
01:02:42,490 --> 01:02:40,099
to them it was like sixteen or eighteen

1499
01:02:44,170 --> 01:02:42,500
cases for this small estimate of the

1500
01:02:46,329 --> 01:02:44,180
situation and he writes the letter that

1501
01:02:47,710 --> 01:02:46,339
sets up project signs it's Howard McCoy

1502
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:47,720
who does that he's a string that Kirk

1503
01:02:52,670 --> 01:02:49,770
connects all this stuff together and

1504
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:52,680
shows how we were led down the path to

1505
01:02:58,310 --> 01:02:54,930
where we are today so basically there is

1506
01:03:01,160 --> 01:02:58,320
no record that you can access of similar

1507
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:01,170
sightings ahead of Arnold's there is

1508
01:03:05,030 --> 01:03:03,690
some stuff it's much earlier there's

1509
01:03:06,410 --> 01:03:05,040
some Foo Fighters stuff you have to

1510
01:03:08,570 --> 01:03:06,420
remember the Foo Fighters were basically

1511
01:03:10,430 --> 01:03:08,580
balls of light that they saw but there

1512
01:03:12,410 --> 01:03:10,440
are some very good sightings where they

1513
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:12,420
were disc shaped objects and in fact

1514
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:15,810
lens drain field in 1945 he was on a

1515
01:03:20,510 --> 01:03:18,090
flight from Iwo Jima to Japan in

1516
01:03:22,190 --> 01:03:20,520
September of 1945 right after the war

1517
01:03:24,980 --> 01:03:22,200
ended I mean it's been over for like

1518
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:24,990
days and we're sending American soldiers

1519
01:03:28,790 --> 01:03:26,970
into Japan now to set all of that stuff

1520
01:03:31,550 --> 01:03:28,800
up he's not an aircraft from he will

1521
01:03:33,380 --> 01:03:31,560
Jima to Japan let's go more into that in

1522
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:33,390
the next segment we have a hard break

1523
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:35,280
coming up and I certainly don't want to

1524
01:03:39,260 --> 01:03:37,530
interrupt this any further we have so

1525
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:39,270
much ground to cover we have Kevin

1526
01:03:49,070 --> 01:03:41,010
Randle joining gene and Chris you're in

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UFO sightings similar to what Kenneth

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01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:17,819
Arnold saw in the years days before the

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01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:19,770
case we're talking to Kevin Randall

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01:08:24,050 --> 01:08:22,170
author of the government UFO FILES let's

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01:08:26,450 --> 01:08:24,060
continue with this discussion about what

1641
01:08:28,490 --> 01:08:26,460
the Leonard Stringfield saw you see the

1642
01:08:30,140 --> 01:08:28,500
three objects out close to the airplane

1643
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:30,150
and the engine starts to sputter and the

1644
01:08:33,410 --> 01:08:31,890
pilot comes over the air and tells them

1645
01:08:35,059 --> 01:08:33,420
you know we may have to ditch here

1646
01:08:37,370 --> 01:08:35,069
because our engines are beginning to do

1647
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:37,380
run erratically and these objects moved

1648
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:39,810
off and the engines began to run

1649
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:41,730
perfectly so now we've got when

1650
01:08:46,190 --> 01:08:44,010
stringfield's very credible man telling

1651
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:46,200
us of an electromagnetic effect of an

1652
01:08:51,230 --> 01:08:49,440
airplane in September of 1945 and we

1653
01:08:53,210 --> 01:08:51,240
know how that translates through the UFO

1654
01:08:55,130 --> 01:08:53,220
field so there are things like that

1655
01:08:57,380 --> 01:08:55,140
scattered through it what I was looking

1656
01:09:00,740 --> 01:08:57,390
for was something specifically like

1657
01:09:02,599 --> 01:09:00,750
March April May and June prior to Arnold

1658
01:09:04,579 --> 01:09:02,609
talking about this shaped object but I

1659
01:09:05,900 --> 01:09:04,589
can find stuff earlier than that but

1660
01:09:07,490 --> 01:09:05,910
talk about dis Jay Dobbs you some

1661
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:07,500
formations of objects but there's

1662
01:09:11,630 --> 01:09:09,210
something else that relates to Arnold if

1663
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:11,640
you look at the original drawing he made

1664
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:13,650
for the Air Force or for the Army Air

1665
01:09:17,780 --> 01:09:15,810
Forces at the time which is available to

1666
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:17,790
project Bluebook files you see it's kind

1667
01:09:20,930 --> 01:09:19,410
of a heel shaped object with a little

1668
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:20,940
bit of a scallop at the end not a whole

1669
01:09:25,460 --> 01:09:23,010
lot but but that kind of a blunt end

1670
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:25,470
type thing like you'd see on the heel of

1671
01:09:30,110 --> 01:09:28,410
a shoe just days two weeks later a

1672
01:09:31,820 --> 01:09:30,120
fellow named william road takes

1673
01:09:32,690 --> 01:09:31,830
photograph of an object over Phoenix

1674
01:09:35,660 --> 01:09:32,700
Arizona

1675
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:35,670
July 7th 1947 and what does the object

1676
01:09:40,010 --> 01:09:37,920
look like it looks like a heel shaped

1677
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:40,020
object it looks exactly what Arnold was

1678
01:09:45,710 --> 01:09:43,170
talking about now Arnold because he kind

1679
01:09:48,140 --> 01:09:45,720
of started this whole thing he was asked

1680
01:09:49,849 --> 01:09:48,150
by Ray Palmer who was in the editor of a

1681
01:09:52,849 --> 01:09:49,859
science fiction magazine that got deep

1682
01:09:54,350 --> 01:09:52,859
into the shave Ernest oh yes yes but the

1683
01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:54,360
point of you know it relates to Maury

1684
01:09:58,250 --> 01:09:55,920
island and these two guys from Maury

1685
01:10:01,880 --> 01:09:58,260
island which is Puget Sound area of

1686
01:10:02,629 --> 01:10:01,890
Washington had written to Palmer talking

1687
01:10:04,699 --> 01:10:02,639
about

1688
01:10:06,409 --> 01:10:04,709
our UFO sighting which I believe to be a

1689
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:06,419
hoax and this night was the important

1690
01:10:09,469 --> 01:10:08,489
point the point is Palmer asked Arnold

1691
01:10:11,569 --> 01:10:09,479
to investigate

1692
01:10:14,750 --> 01:10:11,579
so Arnold Arnold this businessman from

1693
01:10:17,509 --> 01:10:14,760
Boise Idaho who big claimed the famous

1694
01:10:19,009 --> 01:10:17,519
he saw the UFOs and he's a private pilot

1695
01:10:20,779 --> 01:10:19,019
is now asked to investigate a UFO

1696
01:10:23,419 --> 01:10:20,789
sighting he doesn't know what he's doing

1697
01:10:25,279 --> 01:10:23,429
so he called a friend of his EJ Smith

1698
01:10:26,629 --> 01:10:25,289
which by the way is the same name of the

1699
01:10:29,659 --> 01:10:26,639
guy who was the captain of the Titanic

1700
01:10:31,699 --> 01:10:29,669
but Smith was the airline pilot on a

1701
01:10:34,429 --> 01:10:31,709
United Airlines flight on July 4th had

1702
01:10:36,469 --> 01:10:34,439
seen a bunch of UFOs pacing his aircraft

1703
01:10:38,750 --> 01:10:36,479
Arnold knows him and calls him so they

1704
01:10:40,850 --> 01:10:38,760
get together in Washington to

1705
01:10:41,959 --> 01:10:40,860
investigate this case this Maury Island

1706
01:10:43,339 --> 01:10:41,969
case and they're still kind of out of

1707
01:10:45,679 --> 01:10:43,349
their depth here they don't they're

1708
01:10:48,169 --> 01:10:45,689
doing but Arnold had been interviewed by

1709
01:10:50,810 --> 01:10:48,179
two guys from Hamilton Air Force Base

1710
01:10:53,179 --> 01:10:50,820
Braun and Davidson to intelligence

1711
01:10:55,580 --> 01:10:53,189
officers and the intelligence officer I

1712
01:10:57,139 --> 01:10:55,590
think was Braun had told Arnold you know

1713
01:10:59,569 --> 01:10:57,149
if you have any questions give me a call

1714
01:11:01,879 --> 01:10:59,579
so Arnold called Braun to tell him about

1715
01:11:04,489 --> 01:11:01,889
this sighting and Braun and Davidson

1716
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:04,499
took a b25 from Hamilton they were both

1717
01:11:08,449 --> 01:11:06,449
qualified pilots and they flew up to the

1718
01:11:10,759 --> 01:11:08,459
area to talk to Arnold about this the

1719
01:11:11,929 --> 01:11:10,769
real point of the whole story is Arnold

1720
01:11:13,969 --> 01:11:11,939
asked if there'd been of any other

1721
01:11:15,620 --> 01:11:13,979
sightings like is and Braun told him

1722
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:15,630
about the roads photos and it sketched

1723
01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:16,800
it for him and told him what was going

1724
01:11:21,020 --> 01:11:19,110
on there but then Braun and Davidson is

1725
01:11:22,370 --> 01:11:21,030
there going back the airplane fire

1726
01:11:24,979 --> 01:11:22,380
developed in the engine and they were

1727
01:11:27,290 --> 01:11:24,989
killed in the accident that transpired

1728
01:11:29,209 --> 01:11:27,300
afterwards no evidence that a UFO shot

1729
01:11:31,100 --> 01:11:29,219
it down no evidence that they were

1730
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:31,110
carrying secret materials back from

1731
01:11:36,109 --> 01:11:33,090
Maury island any of that stuff it was

1732
01:11:37,850 --> 01:11:36,119
just a horrible aircraft accident two

1733
01:11:39,649 --> 01:11:37,860
people had bailed out and survived so

1734
01:11:41,419 --> 01:11:39,659
you know we have we have a good idea of

1735
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:41,429
what was going on there but the real

1736
01:11:47,870 --> 01:11:45,360
point is Brown told Arnold about the

1737
01:11:49,909 --> 01:11:47,880
rogue photos as the best evidence they

1738
01:11:51,589 --> 01:11:49,919
had at the time and then the Air Force

1739
01:11:55,370 --> 01:11:51,599
or the Army Air Forces goes to great

1740
01:11:57,799 --> 01:11:55,380
lengths to discredit Rhoads by making

1741
01:11:59,899 --> 01:11:57,809
fun of his laboratory in the backyard

1742
01:12:01,219 --> 01:11:59,909
and the fact he calls himself the doctor

1743
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:01,229
even though they could find no evidence

1744
01:12:06,469 --> 01:12:03,570
of the doctorate but it turns out Rhodes

1745
01:12:08,689 --> 01:12:06,479
had held like 40 patents and was a very

1746
01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:08,699
bright guy who'd worked for the UFO US

1747
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:10,110
government during the Second World War

1748
01:12:15,139 --> 01:12:13,679
and was given the Navy the Navy wanted

1749
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:15,149
to get more prestige so they gave a

1750
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:16,170
series of tests to the

1751
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:17,489
engineers working for them and if you

1752
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:19,199
scored so high on it you were given the

1753
01:12:22,820 --> 01:12:21,449
equivalency of a master's degree and if

1754
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:22,830
you scored higher you were given the

1755
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:25,290
equivalency of a PhD so Rhodes had one

1756
01:12:29,209 --> 01:12:27,840
of these equivalent PhD things so wasn't

1757
01:12:31,939 --> 01:12:29,219
matter of fact he was completely making

1758
01:12:33,530 --> 01:12:31,949
it up there was some documentation to

1759
01:12:35,930 --> 01:12:33,540
support that even though it's kind of a

1760
01:12:37,490 --> 01:12:35,940
shaky PhD type thing but Rhodes is a

1761
01:12:39,229 --> 01:12:37,500
very credible guy and the government

1762
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:39,239
worked very hard to discredit him and

1763
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:41,489
the other interesting thing is when he

1764
01:12:46,130 --> 01:12:43,410
was first interviewed by government

1765
01:12:48,860 --> 01:12:46,140
officials he was was an FBI agent and a

1766
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:48,870
CIC agent an army intelligence guy and

1767
01:12:52,370 --> 01:12:50,489
the army intelligence guy of course is

1768
01:12:54,050 --> 01:12:52,380
dressed in civilian clothes as the FBI

1769
01:12:55,580 --> 01:12:54,060
guy and he says the FBI guy don't tell

1770
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:55,590
him I'm army intelligence this was all

1771
01:12:59,660 --> 01:12:57,330
documented in the government file so

1772
01:13:02,030 --> 01:12:59,670
we've got the we show sort of the

1773
01:13:03,620 --> 01:13:02,040
duplicity there that the army didn't

1774
01:13:05,390 --> 01:13:03,630
want the people to know that they were

1775
01:13:06,860 --> 01:13:05,400
investigating the UFO sightings as they

1776
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:06,870
were with with rose and they had the

1777
01:13:10,939 --> 01:13:09,120
perfect foil I mean the FBI guy shows

1778
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:10,949
his credentials and says I'm agent

1779
01:13:15,169 --> 01:13:13,410
so-and-so and this is my my partner guy

1780
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:15,179
working with me and they just went on

1781
01:13:18,590 --> 01:13:16,530
from that you know special agent

1782
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:18,600
so-and-so who was happened to be not a

1783
01:13:22,060 --> 01:13:20,400
special agent of the FBI but a special

1784
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:22,070
agents of the counterintelligence ah

1785
01:13:25,790 --> 01:13:23,520
there you go

1786
01:13:27,500 --> 01:13:25,800
is that convoluted enough for you very I

1787
01:13:29,450 --> 01:13:27,510
still haven't found the cases they're

1788
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:29,460
similar to Arnold's before Arnold though

1789
01:13:35,930 --> 01:13:32,880
after all that and that's the exact same

1790
01:13:37,790 --> 01:13:35,940
problem I have I can find some much

1791
01:13:39,860 --> 01:13:37,800
earlier especially with the Foo Fighter

1792
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:39,870
stuff out of World War two and you go

1793
01:13:43,370 --> 01:13:41,280
back even further than that you can find

1794
01:13:46,100 --> 01:13:43,380
disc shaped objects but the document

1795
01:13:48,590 --> 01:13:46,110
cases were they reported the thing in

1796
01:13:50,570 --> 01:13:48,600
some arena prior to Arnold I have not

1797
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:50,580
been able to find in a number of stories

1798
01:13:54,919 --> 01:13:51,810
and there was one from a newspaper

1799
01:13:56,930 --> 01:13:54,929
editor in Idaho I think after Arnold

1800
01:13:58,760 --> 01:13:56,940
siding broke he wrote his own story he

1801
01:14:01,340 --> 01:13:58,770
said this is something I saw the month

1802
01:14:03,860 --> 01:14:01,350
prior so it was before Arnold but it's

1803
01:14:05,900 --> 01:14:03,870
not documented till after Arnold right

1804
01:14:08,510 --> 01:14:05,910
and I think there was a case in Oregon

1805
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:08,520
and maybe Northern California that was

1806
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:10,320
right around that same week time period

1807
01:14:14,810 --> 01:14:13,199
I'm not sure several days there's a

1808
01:14:17,180 --> 01:14:14,820
whole bunch of those and the Blue Book

1809
01:14:20,090 --> 01:14:17,190
files have some of them that estimate of

1810
01:14:23,419 --> 01:14:20,100
the situation that went to right field

1811
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:23,429
in July of 1947 that spawned the the

1812
01:14:27,950 --> 01:14:25,440
twining letter there were 18 cases

1813
01:14:29,570 --> 01:14:27,960
Arnold is a chronologically the fifth

1814
01:14:30,020 --> 01:14:29,580
case they look at so there's like four

1815
01:14:31,580 --> 01:14:30,030
case

1816
01:14:33,379 --> 01:14:31,590
prior to that we're talking about

1817
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:33,389
similar things and it's pilots who have

1818
01:14:37,459 --> 01:14:34,770
seen them in there those are in the

1819
01:14:38,450 --> 01:14:37,469
project Bluebook files or maybe not I

1820
01:14:41,029 --> 01:14:38,460
think they're making it but sometimes

1821
01:14:43,129 --> 01:14:41,039
the case is missing but I mean we know

1822
01:14:45,799 --> 01:14:43,139
what the case is worth so there are some

1823
01:14:48,589 --> 01:14:45,809
cases the problem is we can't document

1824
01:14:49,879 --> 01:14:48,599
them specifically prior to Arnold you

1825
01:14:51,799 --> 01:14:49,889
know they're saying well I saw this

1826
01:14:52,910 --> 01:14:51,809
before Arnold but I didn't report it

1827
01:14:54,350 --> 01:14:52,920
because I didn't think anybody would

1828
01:14:56,390 --> 01:14:54,360
believe me so we've got a number of

1829
01:14:58,819 --> 01:14:56,400
those sorts of things once we get beyond

1830
01:15:00,859 --> 01:14:58,829
Arnold in just days after Arnold we get

1831
01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:00,869
a lot of disc-shaped craft but we got a

1832
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:02,880
lot of other stuff too well the question

1833
01:15:06,919 --> 01:15:04,170
of course one would raise here the

1834
01:15:09,589 --> 01:15:06,929
skeptic is if those sightings occurred

1835
01:15:12,620 --> 01:15:09,599
after Arnold's then somehow Arnold's

1836
01:15:15,229 --> 01:15:12,630
sighting the description influenced them

1837
01:15:17,390 --> 01:15:15,239
regardless of the reality yes and the

1838
01:15:19,490 --> 01:15:17,400
other side of that coin is anything that

1839
01:15:21,379 --> 01:15:19,500
was seen in the sky any aerial phenomena

1840
01:15:23,060 --> 01:15:21,389
regardless of the shape was called a

1841
01:15:24,290 --> 01:15:23,070
flying saucer so there's a number of

1842
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:24,300
cases if you look at them they're

1843
01:15:28,700 --> 01:15:26,250
talking about cigar shaped craft or they

1844
01:15:31,069 --> 01:15:28,710
talk about glowing balls or ball shaped

1845
01:15:33,020 --> 01:15:31,079
objects things like that in Portland

1846
01:15:34,490 --> 01:15:33,030
Oregon I think over the July 4th weekend

1847
01:15:36,589 --> 01:15:34,500
there was a serious sightings by both

1848
01:15:38,569 --> 01:15:36,599
civilians and police officers at several

1849
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:38,579
different locations over a matter of

1850
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:40,770
hours and they described the object is

1851
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:42,570
looking like a dime so it's a flat

1852
01:15:46,490 --> 01:15:44,880
object circular but it's not really

1853
01:15:48,410 --> 01:15:46,500
saucer shaped as we think of the classic

1854
01:15:50,270 --> 01:15:48,420
saucer but everything whether it was

1855
01:15:52,250 --> 01:15:50,280
cigar shaped or whatever it looked like

1856
01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:52,260
was labeled as a flying saucer after

1857
01:15:56,870 --> 01:15:54,239
Arnold made that statement or after the

1858
01:15:59,209 --> 01:15:56,880
the press picked up on flying saucer so

1859
01:16:01,220 --> 01:15:59,219
how do you separate the reality from the

1860
01:16:02,569 --> 01:16:01,230
possible fantasy that's a question we

1861
01:16:04,189 --> 01:16:02,579
have a lot more to cover and we have

1862
01:16:07,069 --> 01:16:04,199
some questions from our listeners of our

1863
01:16:08,839 --> 01:16:07,079
guests Kevin Randall this is one of the

1864
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:08,849
many thousands of books he's written I

1865
01:16:13,580 --> 01:16:10,770
understand he is fighting it out with

1866
01:16:15,799 --> 01:16:13,590
Brad Steiger to be the most prolific

1867
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:15,809
author of paranormal books on the planet

1868
01:16:19,970 --> 01:16:18,480
since the Eiger is probably older well

1869
01:16:22,430 --> 01:16:19,980
we don't want to get into that the book

1870
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:22,440
is called the government UFO FILES the

1871
01:16:27,500 --> 01:16:25,050
conspiracy of cover-up I'm going to look

1872
01:16:29,779 --> 01:16:27,510
more into what may or may not be covered

1873
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up Kevin Randall again is the guest with

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all right so let's look here more about

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the possible cover-up so live

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information is out there do you think

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Kevin Randall that the government has

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guilty knowledge of the actual solution

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to the so-called UFO enigma absolutely I

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think they picked up the answer on in

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early July 1947 when the thing crashed

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at Roswell I think if you take a look at

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the history which we now have connected

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to the Foo Fighters it's not a separate

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entity it's all part of the same ongoing

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thing but if we look at if we look at

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that we see on July 8th the army

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announces they have a flying saucer

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three hours later there's a man out to

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whether bloom hey guys the guys who

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Roswell just overreacted it's a weather

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balloon and so nobody's talking about

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that but the very next day July 9 1947

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you get newspaper articles that say the

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Army Navy moved today to suppress

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01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:04,400
stories of flying saucers whizzing

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through the atmosphere why suddenly on

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July 9th do they care about us studying

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stories of flying saucers whizzing

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through the atmosphere when in the two

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weeks after Arnold they didn't care

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there's all kinds of stories where

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they're interviewing military people and

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they're saying well I we don't know what

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it is it's not one of ours it's not one

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01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:23,480
of our research projects it might be

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01:22:27,250 --> 01:22:25,010
this it might be that there's all kinds

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01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:27,260
of stories from scientists making claims

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01:22:31,660 --> 01:22:29,810
about what flying saucers might be all

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of that's going on and suddenly on July

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9th of the army and the Navy moved to

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start suppressing the stories to cut it

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down which by the way is the same thing

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the Swedish government the Finnish

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government did in 1946 with the ghost

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rockets eventually they the the number

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of reports in the newspaper reached a

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critical mass and the government tried

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to suppress the stories and stop and ask

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the newspapers to stop reporting them so

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after July 9 1947 you have a great

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drop-off on the number of stories

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printed about UFOs in the in the

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newspaper

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I think indirectly that shows us that

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they have as you put it guilty knowledge

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of what the flying saucers are well in

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the sense of knowing what they are do

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they know where they come from or is it

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just something unknown that we cannot

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put our hands on I believe that they

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know they're extraterrestrials

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we now know that they're not

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interplanetary I think in 1947 the this

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guy

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was interplanetary and the two culprits

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in that were Mars and Venus and of

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course we know Venus is really really

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hot and the lead would melt on the

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surface which explains why nobody's

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really put a spacecraft on the surface

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of Venus to transmitted for very long

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because it melted but in looking at Mars

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we we know pretty well that there's

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nothing on Mars either so you're looking

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at interstellar distances

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I remember Kevin reading the early books

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from Donald Kehoe where he was talking

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so much about the possibility of Mars

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yes and and and everybody was looking at

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the interplanetary solution to it that

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was because our knowledge of Mars and

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Venus was much more limited than it is

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today so I you know we're now we're not

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talking interstellar it's clearly then

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that if these are structured craft built

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somewhere they're built outside the

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solar system they've come come into the

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solar system from i1 at one of these

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other other star systems but we have no

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real clues the only the only thing

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that's ever come up was the Barney and

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Betty Hill star map but our knowledge of

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astronomy as it's grown shows that some

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of the assumptions made by Marjorie fish

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as the woman who identified the Zeta 1

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Zeta 2 Reticuli system is worthy the

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aliens had abducted

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Betty Hill came from I think you know a

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lot of the information she used is now

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horribly out-of-date and we need we need

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to revisit that to see if we can narrow

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it down but the answer the question is

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all I can say with any certainty is that

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they're from outside the solar system I

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don't know where I did and that's the

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other thing I don't know if it's you

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know is it easier to travel great

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distances once you've mastered the speed

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of light barrier or is it you know the

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distances make a great difference or you

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01:25:12,190 --> 01:25:09,830
you you'd assume that the UFOs come from

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our galactic neighborhood as opposed to

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clear across the galaxy or something

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like that and I don't have an answer all

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I know is in our society for me to go to

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California from where I live I have to I

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have to fly in 90 minutes in the wrong

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direction to reach a hub and then fly in

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90 minutes back to the point where I

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started to get to Los Angeles where if

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I'm going from New York to Los Angeles I

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can do it much quicker the analogy of

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course I

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the analogy works really well but it

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just kind of thing it's it's easier to

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go coast-to-coast and it is from the

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Midwest to one of the coasts let's go

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01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:45,290
back to the government secrecy for a

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01:25:51,790 --> 01:25:48,650
moment okay oh so they know in 1947

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having captured a spacecraft at Roswell

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01:25:56,350 --> 01:25:54,380
what's going on even if they're not at

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01:25:58,030 --> 01:25:56,360
all certain where they come from

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01:26:00,910 --> 01:25:58,040
precisely they know this is something

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01:26:03,340 --> 01:26:00,920
that is not of this world how do you

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01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:03,350
keep the secret for over 60 years

2116
01:26:06,730 --> 01:26:05,690
the answer is aspect but but well I'll

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get to that in a minute

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Oh Aztec New Mexico but but I'll get to

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that at the moment yeah I'm very curious

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about what's gonna add about that yes

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the thing is the thing is in 1947

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01:26:21,010 --> 01:26:19,100
once they've picked up the craft they

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01:26:24,370 --> 01:26:21,020
have no clue as to what's going on they

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01:26:25,690 --> 01:26:24,380
now know they know that it's alien if

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01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:25,700
they know it's from outside the Earth's

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01:26:28,570 --> 01:26:27,290
atmosphere but they don't know if it's a

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beginning of an invasion force they

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don't know if it's a threat to national

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01:26:33,010 --> 01:26:31,190
security they don't know if it's benign

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01:26:34,270 --> 01:26:33,020
they don't know anything all I know is

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01:26:37,390 --> 01:26:34,280
they've got one and it's clearly not

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from Earth so they're they are lucky

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01:26:43,480 --> 01:26:39,440
that the thing fell in the in the

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01:26:46,810 --> 01:26:43,490
desolate ways of of New Mexico 70 miles

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01:26:49,450 --> 01:26:46,820
from Roswell for example the they're

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01:26:53,020 --> 01:26:49,460
able to suppress the media because it is

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01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:53,030
not nearly as argumentative then as it

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01:26:57,580 --> 01:26:54,650
is today or adversarial I guess would be

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a better word as it is today and when

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they ask people to keep things quiet

2141
01:27:02,830 --> 01:27:01,670
they pretty much did the other thing is

2142
01:27:05,290 --> 01:27:02,840
they controlled they controlled the

2143
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:05,300
witnesses the Mac Brazel found the thing

2144
01:27:09,130 --> 01:27:06,890
well he's in laws well being held by the

2145
01:27:11,820 --> 01:27:09,140
military Jesse Marcel who went out and

2146
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:11,830
picked up the stuff he's in Fort Worth

2147
01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:14,210
at 8:00 their force headquarters so the

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01:27:18,850 --> 01:27:17,120
press can't find him the sheriff tells

2149
01:27:20,530 --> 01:27:18,860
anybody who calls I'm working with the

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boys out at the base you need to talk to

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01:27:24,550 --> 01:27:21,920
them so they're able to suppress the

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01:27:26,380 --> 01:27:24,560
information in 1947 today's environment

2153
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:26,390
they'd never get away with it unless the

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01:27:29,290 --> 01:27:27,770
press for some reason like the

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administration in which case they don't

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01:27:34,420 --> 01:27:31,910
get quite as in their face as they would

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01:27:34,930 --> 01:27:34,430
for some others but that's another

2158
01:27:37,180 --> 01:27:34,940
problem

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01:27:38,890 --> 01:27:37,190
so in 1947 they don't know what's going

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01:27:41,440 --> 01:27:38,900
on they're able to control the flow of

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01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:41,450
information because of the the situation

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01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:44,690
that happened in 1952 a books published

2163
01:27:49,390 --> 01:27:46,610
called behind the flying saucers and

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01:27:53,770 --> 01:27:49,400
it's alleged that there was a

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01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:53,780
near Aztec New Mexico at the same time a

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01:27:58,660 --> 01:27:56,690
I guess the book came out in 1950 in

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01:28:02,229 --> 01:27:58,670
1952 and true magazine there was an

2168
01:28:05,169 --> 01:28:02,239
expose of that story done by reporter

2169
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:05,179
for the San Francisco Chronicle where he

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01:28:10,390 --> 01:28:07,489
kind of took the story of the Aztec

2171
01:28:12,550 --> 01:28:10,400
crash apart and and set it at the feet

2172
01:28:15,630 --> 01:28:12,560
of two con men who eventually were

2173
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:15,640
arrested in Colorado for some sort of

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01:28:21,939 --> 01:28:19,850
competent scheme in fact Isaac Isaac

2175
01:28:24,580 --> 01:28:21,949
Newton no no no Newton

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01:28:27,550 --> 01:28:24,590
Silas Newton Iowa Mouton Thank You Silas

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01:28:29,860 --> 01:28:27,560
Newton had a long history of arrests for

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con games going back into the 1930 let

2179
01:28:33,010 --> 01:28:31,460
me just interrupt for a second Oprah

2180
01:28:36,669 --> 01:28:33,020
listeners want to hear more about this

2181
01:28:40,540 --> 01:28:36,679
there was a debate on the para cast with

2182
01:28:44,220 --> 01:28:40,550
Kevin Randle and with of course Scott

2183
01:28:47,709 --> 01:28:44,230
Ramsey whose co-author of a book that

2184
01:28:51,250 --> 01:28:47,719
argues in favor of Astec please go on

2185
01:28:54,459 --> 01:28:51,260
but the validity of Aztec really is an

2186
01:28:57,580 --> 01:28:54,469
important here what is important is the

2187
01:28:59,140 --> 01:28:57,590
expose written by JP Cain in the San

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Francisco Chronicle pretty well took a

2189
01:29:04,930 --> 01:29:01,370
what took apart the Aztec case at least

2190
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in the belief of all the people in UFOs

2191
01:29:10,510 --> 01:29:07,730
so nobody in the UFO community wanted to

2192
01:29:12,250 --> 01:29:10,520
talk about UFO crashes so if you had the

2193
01:29:13,899 --> 01:29:12,260
story of a UFO crash it was pretty well

2194
01:29:15,490 --> 01:29:13,909
shelved nobody wanted to talk to it

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01:29:17,590 --> 01:29:15,500
nycap one of the big civilian

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01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:17,600
organizations they didn't even want to

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01:29:21,700 --> 01:29:19,250
hear about occupants for the most part

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01:29:24,310 --> 01:29:21,710
after all the other one at least got

2199
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:24,320
into the occupants and the abduction but

2200
01:29:29,260 --> 01:29:26,210
they didn't want to have anything to do

2201
01:29:32,260 --> 01:29:29,270
with UFO crashes so nobody's talking

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01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:32,270
about UFO crashes at all so nobody's

2203
01:29:37,689 --> 01:29:34,850
looking into those stories with any kind

2204
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:37,699
of depth accepted Aztec and that would

2205
01:29:40,990 --> 01:29:39,290
appear periodically and somebody to look

2206
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:41,000
at it and then somebody else would say

2207
01:29:46,660 --> 01:29:42,050
no it's all a hoax

2208
01:29:47,979 --> 01:29:46,670
so is Aztec a smokescreen for Roswell it

2209
01:29:49,540 --> 01:29:47,989
turned out that way I don't think it

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01:29:51,610 --> 01:29:49,550
really G was well I don't think it

2211
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:51,620
originally it was intended that way but

2212
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:54,650
it became a smokescreen and and and I

2213
01:29:59,080 --> 01:29:56,330
remember when the Roswell incident came

2214
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out in the 1980 and seeing the book and

2215
01:30:03,370 --> 01:30:00,679
thinking to myself ah this is just a

2216
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stack we packaged and so

2217
01:30:08,380 --> 01:30:06,200
I didn't even look at it until cue foes

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asked me to participate in their

2219
01:30:11,170 --> 01:30:09,830
investigation in the Roswell case

2220
01:30:13,330 --> 01:30:11,180
because they wanted someone with a

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military background because a lot of the

2222
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witnesses were ex-military and they

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thought I might bring some insight into

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the military mind and and and maybe

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would relate to these guys better than a

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civilian would we're going to have more

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insights from Kevin Randall on the other

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side with Jeanne and Chris you're in the

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great minds think alike the network for

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the independent finding the genesis

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communications network G C n first game

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attack of the rock codes and it was a

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critically acclaimed success and now

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there's the coming of the protectors a

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former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

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and the coming of the protectors find

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interviewing Kevin Randle is so easy I

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just say how about and he answers the

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question okay so we're exploring what

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evidence the government might have about

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01:35:28,620 --> 01:35:26,200
UFO reality were into Roswell and Aztec

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01:35:31,500 --> 01:35:28,630
and let's have you go on Kevin Randall

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01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:31,510
well the point simply was that because

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of the Expo days done by JP Kane of the

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of the Aztec crash back in 1952 UFO

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01:35:41,780 --> 01:35:39,220
researchers and youth organizations

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01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:41,790
didn't want to hear about UFO crashes

2348
01:35:48,030 --> 01:35:44,650
one the Roswell incident was published

2349
01:35:50,310 --> 01:35:48,040
there wasn't a great flood to that I

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01:35:52,530 --> 01:35:50,320
think the real key to begin the

2351
01:35:55,470 --> 01:35:52,540
investigations of UFO crashes was Lynne

2352
01:35:59,100 --> 01:35:55,480
stringfield's it was 1978 you found

2353
01:36:01,140 --> 01:35:59,110
paper where he actually mentioned Jesse

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01:36:03,810 --> 01:36:01,150
Marcel the air intelligence officer

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01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:03,820
Roswell talking about the crash there

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and then of course the book came out and

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01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:09,610
then cue foes learned that there was

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still a lot of witnesses who had not

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been interviewed or not been contacted

2360
01:36:16,530 --> 01:36:14,110
there possibility of additional

2361
01:36:19,410 --> 01:36:16,540
witnesses and Donna Schmidt and I began

2362
01:36:21,390 --> 01:36:19,420
the investigation into the case in 1989

2363
01:36:24,090 --> 01:36:21,400
but up to that point nobody's really

2364
01:36:25,950 --> 01:36:24,100
talking about this except in a very

2365
01:36:28,170 --> 01:36:25,960
limited fashion so that one of the ways

2366
01:36:30,330 --> 01:36:28,180
they kept the secret was the seagull was

2367
01:36:32,490 --> 01:36:30,340
kept is we sort of kept it ourselves

2368
01:36:34,740 --> 01:36:32,500
simply not believing that there would be

2369
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:34,750
a UFO crash or any evidence and it was

2370
01:36:38,670 --> 01:36:36,610
Roswell that kind of turned all of that

2371
01:36:40,710 --> 01:36:38,680
around because you had so many witnesses

2372
01:36:42,420 --> 01:36:40,720
Colonel Blanchard the commander the

2373
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five-o ninth Bomb Group every member of

2374
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his staff his primary staff in Lhasa in

2375
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:48,370
1947 with a single exception talked

2376
01:36:53,850 --> 01:36:51,130
about this thing being alien Jesse

2377
01:36:56,070 --> 01:36:53,860
Marcel said it was something that came

2378
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to earth but it was not from Earth the

2379
01:37:00,450 --> 01:36:58,780
provost marshal Edwin easily told me

2380
01:37:02,580 --> 01:37:00,460
that it was extraterrestrial I said to

2381
01:37:05,130 --> 01:37:02,590
him in a in a phone interview or a phone

2382
01:37:07,290 --> 01:37:05,140
conversation are we following the right

2383
01:37:08,670 --> 01:37:07,300
path and easily says well what do you

2384
01:37:10,170 --> 01:37:08,680
mean and I said well we think it was

2385
01:37:11,370 --> 01:37:10,180
extraterrestrial and easily says well

2386
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let me put it this way that's not the

2387
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wrong path in essence telling me oh

2388
01:37:16,140 --> 01:37:15,310
we're on the right path Patrick Saunders

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who was the base

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agilent on the Flyleaf of one of the

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books that i had written that the

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Flyleaf talks about how they covered the

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whole thing up saunders wrote this is

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the truth and i never told anybody about

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it and signed his name to it and sent it

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off to a friend who sent me a copy of

2397
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that so every member of a Blanchard

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staff who we were able to interview said

2399
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the thing was alien but nobody was

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talking about that from 1947 because

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Ramey the commander of eight their force

2402
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:45,550
who said it was a weather balloon

2403
01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:48,570
everybody accepted a dancer and

2404
01:37:54,209 --> 01:37:51,040
continued to march as tech came along

2405
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:54,219
and it was thoroughly debunked in 1952

2406
01:37:58,860 --> 01:37:56,770
to everybody's satisfaction at that time

2407
01:38:00,540 --> 01:37:58,870
and so nobody wants to talk about UFO

2408
01:38:02,669 --> 01:38:00,550
crashes and that's the way this thing

2409
01:38:04,770 --> 01:38:02,679
stayed buried for so long

2410
01:38:07,050 --> 01:38:04,780
interestingly in the Project Blue Book

2411
01:38:10,110 --> 01:38:07,060
files you'll find any number of crash

2412
01:38:12,060 --> 01:38:10,120
reports from 1947 they're all hoaxes I

2413
01:38:14,130 --> 01:38:12,070
mean one guy found a little six-inch

2414
01:38:16,950 --> 01:38:14,140
disc for example they're all pretty much

2415
01:38:18,630 --> 01:38:16,960
hoaxes there's no reference to Roswell

2416
01:38:20,189 --> 01:38:18,640
than that but that was a UFO sighting it

2417
01:38:21,930 --> 01:38:20,199
was front-page paper you'd think there'd

2418
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:21,940
be a file in Roswell in the project

2419
01:38:26,580 --> 01:38:24,130
Bluebook files but there's not the only

2420
01:38:28,290 --> 01:38:26,590
reference i've ever found in the project

2421
01:38:29,850 --> 01:38:28,300
Bluebook files to roswell was in the

2422
01:38:32,189 --> 01:38:29,860
middle middle paragraph and a three

2423
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:32,199
paragraph story in part of another file

2424
01:38:36,660 --> 01:38:34,090
that said that a blistering rebuke had

2425
01:38:39,060 --> 01:38:36,670
been issued to walter haut for his press

2426
01:38:41,130 --> 01:38:39,070
release the day before so it's we know

2427
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:41,140
it's a reference to Roswell in this

2428
01:38:44,130 --> 01:38:42,400
newspaper clipping but there's no

2429
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:44,140
there's no case file falafels yet there

2430
01:38:47,729 --> 01:38:45,610
are for some of these other UFO crash

2431
01:38:49,919 --> 01:38:47,739
hoaxes let's move beyond that a little

2432
01:38:52,110 --> 01:38:49,929
bit because we've covered Roswell over

2433
01:38:55,590 --> 01:38:52,120
and over again this is 2014

2434
01:38:58,979 --> 01:38:55,600
okay all right so now that we're sitting

2435
01:39:02,280 --> 01:38:58,989
here in 2014 and the secret was found

2436
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:02,290
out in 1947 where is the Roswell

2437
01:39:07,770 --> 01:39:04,690
spaceship is it secret of the way in a

2438
01:39:09,300 --> 01:39:07,780
dust bin in warehouse 13 are they still

2439
01:39:12,930 --> 01:39:09,310
looking over it are they trying to

2440
01:39:15,209 --> 01:39:12,940
reverse-engineer the technology what

2441
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:15,219
about the pilots where are they today

2442
01:39:20,550 --> 01:39:18,250
and who's keeping the secret today I

2443
01:39:23,010 --> 01:39:20,560
think the secret is kept by a very small

2444
01:39:25,860 --> 01:39:23,020
number of bureaucrats I think as our

2445
01:39:27,510 --> 01:39:25,870
technology develops we apply it to the

2446
01:39:30,060 --> 01:39:27,520
craft and the pieces of the craft or

2447
01:39:31,740 --> 01:39:30,070
whatever we have we apply our technology

2448
01:39:36,149 --> 01:39:31,750
to the alien bodies to see what we can

2449
01:39:39,330 --> 01:39:36,159
learn about their biology and we do it

2450
01:39:41,339 --> 01:39:39,340
as our technology develops we know based

2451
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:41,349
on the evidence from 1947 that

2452
01:39:44,669 --> 01:39:42,730
everything went to right field

2453
01:39:46,530 --> 01:39:44,679
wright-patterson Air Force Base General

2454
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:46,540
exon who was at wright-patterson at the

2455
01:39:50,339 --> 01:39:47,920
time said that one of the bodies had

2456
01:39:52,020 --> 01:39:50,349
gone to Lowery in Denver because Lowery

2457
01:39:53,370 --> 01:39:52,030
at the time was the Army's mortuary

2458
01:39:55,050 --> 01:39:53,380
service and they were looking for a way

2459
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:55,060
to preserve the bodies because you

2460
01:39:59,910 --> 01:39:58,480
assume that you have unique biological

2461
01:40:01,890 --> 01:39:59,920
samples and you're not going to get any

2462
01:40:03,510 --> 01:40:01,900
more so you want to preserve them as

2463
01:40:06,930 --> 01:40:03,520
best they can and they figured they'd

2464
01:40:09,300 --> 01:40:06,940
sent it according to Exxon tutelary for

2465
01:40:11,700 --> 01:40:09,310
that sort of experimentation where the

2466
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:11,710
stuff is today I couldn't tell you I've

2467
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:14,290
heard a rumor that the Navy has a an

2468
01:40:18,810 --> 01:40:16,449
island base out in the Pacific where all

2469
01:40:20,399 --> 01:40:18,820
this stuff is stored and when you think

2470
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:20,409
about it it makes perfect sense because

2471
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:22,090
that would be the easiest way to keep it

2472
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:23,170
secure because nobody's going to be

2473
01:40:25,979 --> 01:40:25,449
sneaking up on an island to take a look

2474
01:40:29,189 --> 01:40:25,989
at it

2475
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:29,199
the people there are going to be you

2476
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:32,530
would assume well-trained and they would

2477
01:40:37,169 --> 01:40:34,210
have limited knowledge of what was going

2478
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:37,179
on except for a small number of people

2479
01:40:40,439 --> 01:40:39,010
but I don't know once it got to right

2480
01:40:43,620 --> 01:40:40,449
field we really don't have a good idea

2481
01:40:46,500 --> 01:40:43,630
of where this stuff where the stuff went

2482
01:40:48,780 --> 01:40:46,510
but you have to assume that we continue

2483
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:48,790
to apply our technology to it as it as

2484
01:40:53,700 --> 01:40:51,250
it goes forward so how do we unearth the

2485
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:53,710
secret and the second question would be

2486
01:40:58,319 --> 01:40:56,560
does the White House know or is the

2487
01:41:00,689 --> 01:40:58,329
president out of the loop he's just a

2488
01:41:02,819 --> 01:41:00,699
temporary resident I think I think the

2489
01:41:05,729 --> 01:41:02,829
president is out of the loop but not but

2490
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:05,739
but the only reason is there are much

2491
01:41:10,859 --> 01:41:08,650
more pressing issues on his plate and if

2492
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:10,869
something happened he would be he would

2493
01:41:14,220 --> 01:41:13,090
be told and I know of an example of

2494
01:41:17,220 --> 01:41:14,230
something like this there was something

2495
01:41:19,140 --> 01:41:17,230
called Operation solo this was a guy

2496
01:41:20,459 --> 01:41:19,150
who'd been a communist in the 1930s an

2497
01:41:23,010 --> 01:41:20,469
American who had been a communist in the

2498
01:41:24,209 --> 01:41:23,020
1930s and realized as he learned more

2499
01:41:27,450 --> 01:41:24,219
about the Soviet Union that the

2500
01:41:30,510 --> 01:41:27,460
communism ideal was not being translated

2501
01:41:31,830 --> 01:41:30,520
well in Soviet Union and he flipped to

2502
01:41:33,689 --> 01:41:31,840
the other side and became an FBI

2503
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:33,699
informant but he was so respected by the

2504
01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:36,730
Soviets that he's on the inside in in

2505
01:41:42,120 --> 01:41:38,800
the Soviet Union he's he's now being run

2506
01:41:43,590 --> 01:41:42,130
by the FBI he goes to the Soviet Union

2507
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:43,600
repeatedly

2508
01:41:46,860 --> 01:41:45,250
he's told all kinds of interesting

2509
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:46,870
things that he brings back and gives to

2510
01:41:51,810 --> 01:41:49,570
the FBI because that's his job the

2511
01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:51,820
operation was run out of New York office

2512
01:41:54,900 --> 01:41:53,440
and and most of the agents from the New

2513
01:41:57,120 --> 01:41:54,910
York office didn't know about this

2514
01:41:59,070 --> 01:41:57,130
operation the president didn't know

2515
01:42:01,020 --> 01:41:59,080
about it and the only time they told a

2516
01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:01,030
president about it was Gerald Ford and

2517
01:42:05,370 --> 01:42:03,130
he had just become president after Nixon

2518
01:42:07,140 --> 01:42:05,380
had resigned he was about to meet with

2519
01:42:09,420 --> 01:42:07,150
the Soviet premier and he was worried

2520
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:09,430
about how well he would do till the FBI

2521
01:42:13,890 --> 01:42:12,010
briefed him on operation solo which was

2522
01:42:15,420 --> 01:42:13,900
this wonderful operation giving us all

2523
01:42:17,310 --> 01:42:15,430
kinds of inside information about the

2524
01:42:19,170 --> 01:42:17,320
operations in the Kremlin and what is

2525
01:42:21,030 --> 01:42:19,180
going on in the Soviet Union but the

2526
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:21,040
president wasn't know told routinely

2527
01:42:25,590 --> 01:42:23,170
because it wasn't necessary for the

2528
01:42:27,570 --> 01:42:25,600
president to know that to do his job and

2529
01:42:29,550 --> 01:42:27,580
I think that's where the UFO stuff falls

2530
01:42:31,050 --> 01:42:29,560
it's something that's you know really

2531
01:42:33,180 --> 01:42:31,060
really interesting and if the president

2532
01:42:34,860 --> 01:42:33,190
wanted to find out he he could cuz he's

2533
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:34,870
the president but I don't think he's

2534
01:42:39,510 --> 01:42:37,570
routinely briefed on it because it is

2535
01:42:42,180 --> 01:42:39,520
not necessary for him to know this stuff

2536
01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:42,190
to do his job properly so what do we do

2537
01:42:46,530 --> 01:42:44,290
what do we pass to here who have been

2538
01:42:48,900 --> 01:42:46,540
ranting about UFOs or whatever they're

2539
01:42:52,290 --> 01:42:48,910
called for all these years how do we

2540
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:52,300
persuade the powers that be to reveal

2541
01:42:57,180 --> 01:42:54,880
their guilty knowledge uh we're never

2542
01:42:59,280 --> 01:42:57,190
going to persuade them there was no

2543
01:43:01,500 --> 01:42:59,290
motivation for them to tell us and it

2544
01:43:03,030 --> 01:43:01,510
doesn't matter how close we get they're

2545
01:43:04,860 --> 01:43:03,040
not going to tell it the only way it's

2546
01:43:06,540 --> 01:43:04,870
going to happen is if the UFOs the alien

2547
01:43:07,890 --> 01:43:06,550
creatures land and say here we are and

2548
01:43:10,710 --> 01:43:07,900
there's no way to deny it

2549
01:43:12,030 --> 01:43:10,720
but what we can do and and this is the

2550
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:12,040
thing I found interesting by going

2551
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:14,170
through the files in the documents is we

2552
01:43:18,270 --> 01:43:15,850
can we can uncover some of this stuff

2553
01:43:21,030 --> 01:43:18,280
for example we learned about project

2554
01:43:23,370 --> 01:43:21,040
moon dust because the State Department

2555
01:43:25,020 --> 01:43:23,380
in a FOIA request released some UFO

2556
01:43:26,940 --> 01:43:25,030
related documents at reference to moon

2557
01:43:28,710 --> 01:43:26,950
dust which they shouldn't have done but

2558
01:43:30,630 --> 01:43:28,720
they did but here's the thing that just

2559
01:43:33,090 --> 01:43:30,640
cracks me up as I was working on the

2560
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:33,100
book I was looking for a sighting in the

2561
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:35,890
1960 range and as I was scanning by it I

2562
01:43:39,930 --> 01:43:37,690
thought I saw the words moon dust in the

2563
01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:39,940
project Bluebook files so on went back I

2564
01:43:46,350 --> 01:43:43,690
found four cases in nineteen the 1960s

2565
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:46,360
labeled moon dust I found a document

2566
01:43:54,510 --> 01:43:49,890
that tells me that moon dust began in

2567
01:43:56,220 --> 01:43:54,520
1957 it was dated December of 1957 it

2568
01:43:57,390 --> 01:43:56,230
says this project recently created

2569
01:44:00,270 --> 01:43:57,400
obviously

2570
01:44:01,979 --> 01:44:00,280
spudnick you know now exists for the for

2571
01:44:04,020 --> 01:44:01,989
the recovery of information project

2572
01:44:06,450 --> 01:44:04,030
Munez so there was a reference in moon

2573
01:44:08,070 --> 01:44:06,460
to moon dust and moon dust cases in the

2574
01:44:10,229 --> 01:44:08,080
project Bluebook files as far as I know

2575
01:44:12,630 --> 01:44:10,239
nobody ever made that connection before

2576
01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:12,640
I found it accidentally by looking for

2577
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:13,449
something else

2578
01:44:18,959 --> 01:44:16,810
so the point is we need to look at all

2579
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:18,969
the documentation is available and it's

2580
01:44:22,770 --> 01:44:20,320
available at a lot of different places

2581
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:22,780
and see what we can uncover by that we

2582
01:44:26,459 --> 01:44:24,250
learn the name of moon dust we learned

2583
01:44:28,500 --> 01:44:26,469
that moon dust had a UFO component we

2584
01:44:30,270 --> 01:44:28,510
learned that moon dust transcended

2585
01:44:31,830 --> 01:44:30,280
project Bluebook so when blue bookended

2586
01:44:33,149 --> 01:44:31,840
moon dust kept going and part of the

2587
01:44:35,610 --> 01:44:33,159
moon dust mission was a UFO

2588
01:44:37,649 --> 01:44:35,620
investigation when the codename was

2589
01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:37,659
compromised in the mid 1980s

2590
01:44:41,430 --> 01:44:39,760
they changed the codename and kept going

2591
01:44:43,590 --> 01:44:41,440
and we know this because Robert Todd

2592
01:44:45,750 --> 01:44:43,600
filed a FOIA request and they told him

2593
01:44:47,610 --> 01:44:45,760
the new name is properly classified so

2594
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:47,620
there was no need to tell him so we know

2595
01:44:51,870 --> 01:44:49,690
that that all that change was the code

2596
01:44:53,160 --> 01:44:51,880
name so we need to keep looking at that

2597
01:44:55,260 --> 01:44:53,170
stuff and seeing all these little

2598
01:44:57,689 --> 01:44:55,270
nuggets that we can find inside the

2599
01:45:00,209 --> 01:44:57,699
files with the documentation and say you

2600
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:00,219
know here we go here's documentation

2601
01:45:03,630 --> 01:45:02,050
that shows this and you can look at this

2602
01:45:05,370 --> 01:45:03,640
document you can get it yourself through

2603
01:45:07,890 --> 01:45:05,380
FOIA which by the way you can't do with

2604
01:45:09,450 --> 01:45:07,900
mj-12 but but if you foil the State

2605
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:09,460
Department for moondust they will send

2606
01:45:12,959 --> 01:45:11,290
your documents with moon dust on it I

2607
01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:12,969
found in the project Bluebook files

2608
01:45:18,450 --> 01:45:16,000
let's go into our break oh boy is

2609
01:45:20,399 --> 01:45:18,460
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2610
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2636
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2637
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2638
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2639
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2640
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2641
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2642
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2643
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2644
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2645
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2646
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2647
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2648
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2649
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2650
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2651
01:46:56,950 --> 01:46:54,410
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30-day premium units normally a thousand

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2659
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2660
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2661
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2662
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such as milk ABC stew and rolled oats

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2671
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so call now eight six six four oh four

2672
01:47:53,149 --> 01:47:48,809
welcome back into the para cast the gold

2673
01:48:01,739 --> 01:47:53,159
standard of paranormal radio and now

2674
01:48:03,989 --> 01:48:01,749
here's Jane Steinberg what I'm seeing

2675
01:48:06,270 --> 01:48:03,999
here Kevin Randall to kind of cut this

2676
01:48:08,750 --> 01:48:06,280
short a little bit that is that there

2677
01:48:12,779 --> 01:48:08,760
may be a small agency that has the

2678
01:48:14,609 --> 01:48:12,789
ultimate secret we understand that but

2679
01:48:16,979 --> 01:48:14,619
that information does leak out they

2680
01:48:18,359 --> 01:48:16,989
can't control all of it it's just so

2681
01:48:21,629 --> 01:48:18,369
sprawling the government

2682
01:48:24,629 --> 01:48:21,639
there's no way so you do have the pieces

2683
01:48:26,609 --> 01:48:24,639
of a puzzle if you can only assemble the

2684
01:48:28,319 --> 01:48:26,619
pieces maybe you would know the secret

2685
01:48:30,629 --> 01:48:28,329
before there's even some kind of final

2686
01:48:34,109 --> 01:48:30,639
revelation well one of the problems we

2687
01:48:36,509 --> 01:48:34,119
run into is the skeptics and one of them

2688
01:48:38,789 --> 01:48:36,519
I think you know in a comment on my blog

2689
01:48:40,379 --> 01:48:38,799
just recently said he wouldn't believe

2690
01:48:42,719 --> 01:48:40,389
they were aliens even if he saw the

2691
01:48:44,250 --> 01:48:42,729
craft in the bodies and so we have to

2692
01:48:47,639 --> 01:48:44,260
put up with that sort of thing as well

2693
01:48:51,209 --> 01:48:47,649
so that helps keep the secret I've often

2694
01:48:53,729 --> 01:48:51,219
said that that in some of the great

2695
01:48:56,549 --> 01:48:53,739
hoaxes that have been exposed in the in

2696
01:48:58,289 --> 01:48:56,559
the UFO field that that helps create

2697
01:48:59,669 --> 01:48:58,299
this idea there's nothing to it I've

2698
01:49:02,099 --> 01:48:59,679
often said if I was a guy running the

2699
01:49:03,929 --> 01:49:02,109
operation to supply the the

2700
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:03,939
disinformation or keep the things secret

2701
01:49:07,199 --> 01:49:05,530
I'd take credit for all this with my

2702
01:49:08,369 --> 01:49:07,209
bosses see what I was able to do I was

2703
01:49:11,279 --> 01:49:08,379
able to divert attention in this

2704
01:49:14,399 --> 01:49:11,289
direction sorry I know it is all of that

2705
01:49:16,709 --> 01:49:14,409
going on but as we look at the

2706
01:49:18,599 --> 01:49:16,719
information we can gather the testimony

2707
01:49:20,699 --> 01:49:18,609
from very credible witnesses they often

2708
01:49:22,709 --> 01:49:20,709
give us clues as to where to look for

2709
01:49:24,989 --> 01:49:22,719
documentation and we saw we can

2710
01:49:27,209 --> 01:49:24,999
sometimes find that documentation and so

2711
01:49:29,189 --> 01:49:27,219
we have to we have to be able to provide

2712
01:49:30,329 --> 01:49:29,199
that so that other people can follow in

2713
01:49:32,489 --> 01:49:30,339
their footsteps

2714
01:49:34,199 --> 01:49:32,499
the Ramey memo comes to mind immediately

2715
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:34,209
that's the document that Rainey is

2716
01:49:38,789 --> 01:49:36,010
holding in one of the pictures taken in

2717
01:49:43,189 --> 01:49:38,799
his office in 1947 and there's attempts

2718
01:49:46,559 --> 01:49:43,199
to read this based on blow ups and and

2719
01:49:48,419 --> 01:49:46,569
manipulation of the photographs to read

2720
01:49:50,219 --> 01:49:48,429
what what that document actually says

2721
01:49:53,579 --> 01:49:50,229
which could turn out to be The Smoking

2722
01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:53,589
Gun and I've said but what we have to do

2723
01:49:58,290 --> 01:49:57,010
is make sure that we provide all the

2724
01:50:00,030 --> 01:49:58,300
information on how we

2725
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:00,040
got to that point if it does lead to

2726
01:50:04,530 --> 01:50:02,770
that conclusion so that everybody else

2727
01:50:07,620 --> 01:50:04,540
can follow us and see that we have done

2728
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:07,630
nothing to alter it you can do the same

2729
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:09,850
thing by following these steps and this

2730
01:50:14,490 --> 01:50:12,130
information is available we have to be

2731
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:14,500
available in essence to peer review of

2732
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:17,530
our research that others can follow in

2733
01:50:22,440 --> 01:50:19,930
our footsteps and verify what we say

2734
01:50:24,660 --> 01:50:22,450
that what we're saying there you go no

2735
01:50:27,060 --> 01:50:24,670
way to do it it sounds like kind of

2736
01:50:29,100 --> 01:50:27,070
frustrating no it's not there's no way

2737
01:50:30,420 --> 01:50:29,110
to do it there's people we're not going

2738
01:50:32,370 --> 01:50:30,430
to be able to convince no matter what we

2739
01:50:34,020 --> 01:50:32,380
have and what we present in evidence but

2740
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:34,030
what I'm saying is the evidence is out

2741
01:50:37,470 --> 01:50:35,770
there but we just have to be a little

2742
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:37,480
bit more diligent in our collection of

2743
01:50:42,180 --> 01:50:40,080
that as evidence and make sure that the

2744
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:42,190
steps we took to get to that evidence

2745
01:50:46,110 --> 01:50:44,410
can be followed by somebody else so if I

2746
01:50:47,910 --> 01:50:46,120
present a document to you and I say this

2747
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:47,920
comes from such-and-such and prove

2748
01:50:53,700 --> 01:50:50,410
such-and-such you can go to that agency

2749
01:50:55,440 --> 01:50:53,710
and get the same documents yeah and

2750
01:50:57,210 --> 01:50:55,450
that's the point with mj-12 you can't do

2751
01:50:58,470 --> 01:50:57,220
that you can't go to a government agency

2752
01:51:00,060 --> 01:50:58,480
that inadvertently released the

2753
01:51:02,460 --> 01:51:00,070
documents and they say yes this is a

2754
01:51:04,140 --> 01:51:02,470
document we hold you can do that with

2755
01:51:07,020 --> 01:51:04,150
moondust for example you can do this

2756
01:51:09,690 --> 01:51:07,030
with other secret stuff so we have to be

2757
01:51:12,450 --> 01:51:09,700
able to provide the steps to get to the

2758
01:51:14,700 --> 01:51:12,460
conclusions that we have drawn so that

2759
01:51:18,270 --> 01:51:14,710
others can see it independently of what

2760
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:18,280
we've done well Kevin I have a quick

2761
01:51:23,910 --> 01:51:20,410
question here for some of our first-time

2762
01:51:26,820 --> 01:51:23,920
listeners and neophytes into this

2763
01:51:29,690 --> 01:51:26,830
particular subject project moondust now

2764
01:51:31,890 --> 01:51:29,700
wasn't that tasked with the recovery of

2765
01:51:35,010 --> 01:51:31,900
found objects correct me if i'm wrong

2766
01:51:38,430 --> 01:51:35,020
project moondust was developed to

2767
01:51:42,360 --> 01:51:38,440
recover returning space debris a foreign

2768
01:51:45,150 --> 01:51:42,370
manufacturer or unknown owed origin for

2769
01:51:47,220 --> 01:51:45,160
manufacturer clearly labels the Soviet

2770
01:51:49,890 --> 01:51:47,230
Union and now would be all the other

2771
01:51:53,790 --> 01:51:49,900
space agencies around there and foreign

2772
01:51:57,930 --> 01:51:53,800
foreign unknown origin that's the UFO

2773
01:52:00,870 --> 01:51:57,940
component when we look at moon dust

2774
01:52:02,640 --> 01:52:00,880
files we can see the UFO component in

2775
01:52:05,430 --> 01:52:02,650
there and that was one of the things the

2776
01:52:08,220 --> 01:52:05,440
FOIA request did is it was State

2777
01:52:12,270 --> 01:52:08,230
Department files under project moon dust

2778
01:52:13,859 --> 01:52:12,280
that talked about UFO sighting

2779
01:52:18,180 --> 01:52:13,869
in other parts of the world and the

2780
01:52:20,089 --> 01:52:18,190
recovery of objects most of the time the

2781
01:52:22,589 --> 01:52:20,099
objects clearly are of terrestrial

2782
01:52:23,700 --> 01:52:22,599
manufacture well we've got some very

2783
01:52:25,169 --> 01:52:23,710
good sightings to come out of moon

2784
01:52:26,609 --> 01:52:25,179
that's the four sightings I found in

2785
01:52:29,419 --> 01:52:26,619
Project Blue Book are really crappy

2786
01:52:32,069 --> 01:52:29,429
sighting basically they could be meteors

2787
01:52:33,660 --> 01:52:32,079
seen in the distance very quickly from

2788
01:52:36,750 --> 01:52:33,670
from the descriptions you see in the

2789
01:52:39,839 --> 01:52:36,760
files but it shows the the UFO component

2790
01:52:42,029 --> 01:52:39,849
so moon dust had a UFO component it had

2791
01:52:44,729 --> 01:52:42,039
had a number of missions they deployed a

2792
01:52:47,580 --> 01:52:44,739
number of times now since we got into

2793
01:52:49,620 --> 01:52:47,590
this senator jeff Bingaman of New Mexico

2794
01:52:51,830 --> 01:52:49,630
had queried the Air Force about project

2795
01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:51,840
moon dust and he was told at the time

2796
01:52:57,750 --> 01:52:55,210
that there was no such project it never

2797
01:52:58,709 --> 01:52:57,760
existed when moon dust documents were

2798
01:53:00,029 --> 01:52:58,719
sent to the Air Force

2799
01:53:01,919 --> 01:53:00,039
I mean clearly from the Department of

2800
01:53:03,930 --> 01:53:01,929
State so there was a provenance for the

2801
01:53:05,549 --> 01:53:03,940
document the Air Force wrote back and

2802
01:53:07,709 --> 01:53:05,559
said we'd like to amend our last

2803
01:53:10,020 --> 01:53:07,719
statement yes there was a project moon

2804
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:10,030
dust but we never deployed it well other

2805
01:53:14,549 --> 01:53:13,090
documents show that it did deploy so you

2806
01:53:16,620 --> 01:53:14,559
know again we what we found is

2807
01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:16,630
government duplicity in this government

2808
01:53:21,629 --> 01:53:19,090
lying about what moon dust did where it

2809
01:53:23,160 --> 01:53:21,639
went if it even existed and we've been

2810
01:53:25,529 --> 01:53:23,170
able to document all that so if you

2811
01:53:26,819 --> 01:53:25,539
wanted to follow in my footsteps you

2812
01:53:28,620 --> 01:53:26,829
know I'd say well you've got to take a

2813
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:28,630
look at plenty of the stuff from the

2814
01:53:33,270 --> 01:53:31,570
State Department you have got to look at

2815
01:53:35,549 --> 01:53:33,280
the project Bluebook files and it's the

2816
01:53:36,990 --> 01:53:35,559
cases cases around September of 1960 I

2817
01:53:38,879 --> 01:53:37,000
believe so you know the Bluebook files

2818
01:53:41,129 --> 01:53:38,889
and you can look it up and you can see

2819
01:53:43,220 --> 01:53:41,139
the project moon dust cases yourself so

2820
01:53:45,060 --> 01:53:43,230
you can you can follow my footsteps

2821
01:53:47,220 --> 01:53:45,070
independently and get to the same place

2822
01:53:50,189 --> 01:53:47,230
well that brings me to a really good

2823
01:53:53,729 --> 01:53:50,199
question that's been posed by japw in

2824
01:53:55,879 --> 01:53:53,739
Wisconsin at forum dr. Peric ascom where

2825
01:53:58,439 --> 01:53:55,889
you can ask questions of our guests and

2826
01:54:00,209 --> 01:53:58,449
in this is a perfect lead-in to the

2827
01:54:02,339 --> 01:54:00,219
question mr. Randall has lived through

2828
01:54:04,109 --> 01:54:02,349
many changes throughout his career if

2829
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:04,119
he's willing to wade into a potentially

2830
01:54:08,069 --> 01:54:06,610
political puddle of mud I'd like to hear

2831
01:54:10,589 --> 01:54:08,079
about his broader thoughts on the

2832
01:54:12,180 --> 01:54:10,599
current lack of transparency on the part

2833
01:54:13,799 --> 01:54:12,190
of the US government and this deep

2834
01:54:15,930 --> 01:54:13,809
decline in the public's trust in

2835
01:54:19,260 --> 01:54:15,940
government how we've arrived at this

2836
01:54:21,330 --> 01:54:19,270
point and maybe UFO secrecy could be

2837
01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:21,340
commented you know within this context

2838
01:54:25,350 --> 01:54:24,130
well that's a wide-ranging question what

2839
01:54:26,820 --> 01:54:25,360
I was just a basis

2840
01:54:28,890 --> 01:54:26,830
he's saying hey you know the public

2841
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:28,900
trust in the government has really

2842
01:54:35,010 --> 01:54:31,810
degraded and you know we have this lack

2843
01:54:37,020 --> 01:54:35,020
of transparency now well yes and I to

2844
01:54:39,300 --> 01:54:37,030
address their lack of transparency sorry

2845
01:54:41,669 --> 01:54:39,310
I used to require a response in ten

2846
01:54:44,160 --> 01:54:41,679
working days so you file a FOIA request

2847
01:54:46,530 --> 01:54:44,170
they were required to respond now

2848
01:54:49,229 --> 01:54:46,540
oftentimes a response was we have your

2849
01:54:51,090 --> 01:54:49,239
request we're looking at it they've now

2850
01:54:52,590 --> 01:54:51,100
complied with the letter of the law they

2851
01:54:55,290 --> 01:54:52,600
haven't really told you anything and

2852
01:54:57,660 --> 01:54:55,300
then sometime later you might get some

2853
01:54:59,970 --> 01:54:57,670
documents to relate to that in the days

2854
01:55:02,129 --> 01:54:59,980
in the age of email and the internet I

2855
01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:02,139
have filed some FOIA requests with

2856
01:55:07,080 --> 01:55:04,210
military organizations and got a

2857
01:55:08,250 --> 01:55:07,090
response quickly from them over over the

2858
01:55:10,500 --> 01:55:08,260
internet answering my questions

2859
01:55:12,840 --> 01:55:10,510
especially if they were simple questions

2860
01:55:14,939 --> 01:55:12,850
on the other hand I filed for a request

2861
01:55:16,709 --> 01:55:14,949
with the Secretary of the Air Force and

2862
01:55:19,709 --> 01:55:16,719
gotten absolutely no response

2863
01:55:22,649 --> 01:55:19,719
then whatsoever which means FOIA simply

2864
01:55:25,010 --> 01:55:22,659
has no real teeth left anymore so now we

2865
01:55:27,629 --> 01:55:25,020
have the lack of transparency they don't

2866
01:55:30,450 --> 01:55:27,639
there's not a not afraid of not

2867
01:55:33,149 --> 01:55:30,460
responding to you and I think this this

2868
01:55:36,540 --> 01:55:33,159
whole thing is an outgrowth of really

2869
01:55:38,100 --> 01:55:36,550
the Vietnam War where there was a very

2870
01:55:40,140 --> 01:55:38,110
adversarial relationship between the

2871
01:55:42,109 --> 01:55:40,150
government in the class and some of the

2872
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:42,119
things that you could see on the TV

2873
01:55:46,140 --> 01:55:44,770
clearly were not related to what the

2874
01:55:48,450 --> 01:55:46,150
government was saying it moves on to

2875
01:55:49,919 --> 01:55:48,460
Watergate where President Nixon was

2876
01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:49,929
saying well I'm not a crook I'm not

2877
01:55:53,129 --> 01:55:51,610
involved we didn't do this we didn't do

2878
01:55:57,560 --> 01:55:53,139
that and comes out well they did do all

2879
01:56:00,149 --> 01:55:57,570
of that to ongoing things today where

2880
01:56:02,370 --> 01:56:00,159
the President or the administration or

2881
01:56:03,870 --> 01:56:02,380
the government says one thing and it

2882
01:56:06,930 --> 01:56:03,880
turns out something completely different

2883
01:56:08,430 --> 01:56:06,940
is true in it and you've got it on both

2884
01:56:12,540 --> 01:56:08,440
sides of the aisle you've got the

2885
01:56:14,220 --> 01:56:12,550
Congress who's most congressmen seem to

2886
01:56:16,500 --> 01:56:14,230
be there their mission is to get

2887
01:56:19,439 --> 01:56:16,510
reelected and the deck they don't worry

2888
01:56:21,890 --> 01:56:19,449
about what's happening to the country so

2889
01:56:25,590 --> 01:56:21,900
you can see all of that for yourself

2890
01:56:28,530 --> 01:56:25,600
that the transparency and the government

2891
01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:28,540
and the mission of the government now is

2892
01:56:33,270 --> 01:56:30,610
to sort of perpetuate itself as opposed

2893
01:56:35,220 --> 01:56:33,280
to do what governments were supposed to

2894
01:56:36,750 --> 01:56:35,230
do when they were created back well our

2895
01:56:38,879 --> 01:56:36,760
government two hundred and some-odd

2896
01:56:42,270 --> 01:56:38,889
years ago but what's happening

2897
01:56:44,040 --> 01:56:42,280
as people in Congress in the Senate they

2898
01:56:46,379 --> 01:56:44,050
spent a lot their time fundraising

2899
01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:46,389
because they won't be reelected unless

2900
01:56:50,550 --> 01:56:48,730
they get enough cash and sometimes it

2901
01:56:53,340 --> 01:56:50,560
costs a lot of money though of course in

2902
01:56:56,660 --> 01:56:53,350
a strange turn of events congressman

2903
01:56:58,919 --> 01:56:56,670
Eric Cantor raised five million his

2904
01:57:01,169 --> 01:56:58,929
opponent raised maybe one or two hundred

2905
01:57:02,939 --> 01:57:01,179
thousand and the opponent won and the

2906
01:57:06,540 --> 01:57:02,949
polls were all off so that was a big

2907
01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:06,550
mess but you know so it's become a money

2908
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:08,530
machine there are money operation and

2909
01:57:12,689 --> 01:57:09,850
the other question when I asked you when

2910
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:12,699
we get back from our break is is there

2911
01:57:17,580 --> 01:57:15,850
private industry involvement in keeping

2912
01:57:19,649 --> 01:57:17,590
the UFO secret because I think that

2913
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:19,659
would do better there's no government

2914
01:57:23,070 --> 01:57:21,730
bureaucrat to leak the information you

2915
01:57:25,410 --> 01:57:23,080
don't know where it is because some

2916
01:57:28,350 --> 01:57:25,420
private corporation has it Kevin Randle

2917
01:57:30,270 --> 01:57:28,360
joins us the book is the government UFO

2918
01:57:38,820 --> 01:57:30,280
FILES with Gene and Chris you're in

2919
01:57:41,640 --> 01:57:38,830
libera cussed neighbors are you tired of

2920
01:57:45,419 --> 01:57:41,650
dealing with a slow web hosting provider

2921
01:57:48,060 --> 01:57:45,429
well check out a to hosting and they're

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2924
01:57:57,780 --> 01:57:54,540
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2925
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2926
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question Kevin Randall on the power cast

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with gene and Chris is whether any of

3021
02:02:12,010 --> 02:02:08,960
this information with regard to the

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secret with regard to captured space

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ships such as Roswell could that have

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been funneled off to private industry

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which would make it basically invisible

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unless we knew where to look I will say

3027
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yes I think as you attempt to reverse

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02:02:29,320 --> 02:02:27,950
engineer this and you find out it's

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outside the expertise of the people

3030
02:02:32,800 --> 02:02:31,130
you're talking to you may attempt to

3031
02:02:34,780 --> 02:02:32,810
find others with other expertise that

3032
02:02:36,490 --> 02:02:34,790
might be able to give you answers so

3033
02:02:40,780 --> 02:02:36,500
some of it could have been funneled into

3034
02:02:42,670 --> 02:02:40,790
private industry but it's just it's just

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a very convoluted question and we and we

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02:02:47,170 --> 02:02:44,480
get hints of these sorts of things and

3037
02:02:48,550 --> 02:02:47,180
and the problem is we don't know we

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don't know where to look we don't know

3039
02:02:52,780 --> 02:02:50,540
the code names we don't know how to

3040
02:02:55,090 --> 02:02:52,790
access specific information so if you

3041
02:02:57,430 --> 02:02:55,100
don't know the code names if you know

3042
02:02:58,660 --> 02:02:57,440
it's not going to be filed under UFO

3043
02:03:01,330 --> 02:02:58,670
crash it's gonna be filed under

3044
02:03:02,680 --> 02:03:01,340
something else and if we don't know that

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02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:02,690
code name then we're not going to be

3046
02:03:05,919 --> 02:03:03,530
able to

3047
02:03:07,660 --> 02:03:05,929
find anything and and a lot of times in

3048
02:03:10,120 --> 02:03:07,670
these foyer requests you get the

3049
02:03:13,810 --> 02:03:10,130
response is the information is properly

3050
02:03:16,000 --> 02:03:13,820
classified but the only the only event

3051
02:03:17,439 --> 02:03:16,010
that that should make it properly

3052
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classified would be a national security

3053
02:03:21,640 --> 02:03:19,699
event and that's where Malstrom becomes

3054
02:03:24,399 --> 02:03:21,650
important because we're dealing with a

3055
02:03:27,399 --> 02:03:24,409
national security event if an outside

3056
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agency whatever that agency might be can

3057
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shut down a missile a whole flight of

3058
02:03:36,549 --> 02:03:33,530
Minuteman missiles at the same time so

3059
02:03:38,560 --> 02:03:36,559
they they cannot be launched then that's

3060
02:03:40,689 --> 02:03:38,570
a matter of national security because

3061
02:03:42,609 --> 02:03:40,699
you don't want the Soviets to know that

3062
02:03:45,549 --> 02:03:42,619
it can be done and somebody figured out

3063
02:03:47,080 --> 02:03:45,559
how to do it so you have to take a look

3064
02:03:49,149 --> 02:03:47,090
you have to take a look at all of that

3065
02:03:50,529 --> 02:03:49,159
sort of thing but so when they say well

3066
02:03:51,520 --> 02:03:50,539
that's a matter of national security

3067
02:03:53,680 --> 02:03:51,530
yeah that's a matter of national

3068
02:03:55,120 --> 02:03:53,690
security we're ufos involved in that

3069
02:03:57,609 --> 02:03:55,130
well there were sightings all over the

3070
02:04:01,029 --> 02:03:57,619
darn place at the time that happened and

3071
02:04:03,490 --> 02:04:01,039
so UFO may have found a way through

3072
02:04:05,529 --> 02:04:03,500
whatever method of shutting down the

3073
02:04:06,459 --> 02:04:05,539
missile flights it becomes a matter of

3074
02:04:09,459 --> 02:04:06,469
national security

3075
02:04:10,720 --> 02:04:09,469
so that citing the sighting event now go

3076
02:04:12,819 --> 02:04:10,730
in a different direction

3077
02:04:14,859 --> 02:04:12,829
yeah we won't even talk about all the

3078
02:04:17,290 --> 02:04:14,869
cattle mutilations that occurred in the

3079
02:04:20,319 --> 02:04:17,300
70s around monstrum right in the midst

3080
02:04:21,760 --> 02:04:20,329
of a UFO wave and there's nothing in my

3081
02:04:23,049 --> 02:04:21,770
book about the cattle mutilations but

3082
02:04:26,049 --> 02:04:23,059
there's stuff in my book about the

3083
02:04:27,850 --> 02:04:26,059
Malstrom shutdowns including information

3084
02:04:29,229 --> 02:04:27,860
from Robert Salas of course and some

3085
02:04:31,180 --> 02:04:29,239
other people who are involved here's

3086
02:04:33,910 --> 02:04:31,190
something interesting that I don't know

3087
02:04:36,279 --> 02:04:33,920
if it's mentioned in the book but if you

3088
02:04:39,339 --> 02:04:36,289
all know about the RB 47 chase that took

3089
02:04:41,470 --> 02:04:39,349
place in 1957 this was a bomber that was

3090
02:04:44,859 --> 02:04:41,480
on a training mission over the Gulf of

3091
02:04:46,810 --> 02:04:44,869
Mexico flew up through Mississippi over

3092
02:04:48,310 --> 02:04:46,820
across Shreveport Louisiana the

3093
02:04:50,649 --> 02:04:48,320
dallas-fort Worth area and then back to

3094
02:04:52,930 --> 02:04:50,659
its home base and it was paced by a UFO

3095
02:04:54,819 --> 02:04:52,940
in a number of cases they the crew saw

3096
02:04:56,169 --> 02:04:54,829
it it was it was painted on radar

3097
02:04:58,810 --> 02:04:56,179
apparently painted on radar on the

3098
02:05:01,450 --> 02:04:58,820
ground the pilot was a guy named Louis

3099
02:05:04,450 --> 02:05:01,460
chase mate he was a major at the time

3100
02:05:07,930 --> 02:05:04,460
when you get to the mouse from case the

3101
02:05:09,580 --> 02:05:07,940
UFO officer that's working with the guys

3102
02:05:12,700 --> 02:05:09,590
from the University of Colorado and

3103
02:05:14,200 --> 02:05:12,710
their UFO study same guy Louis chased

3104
02:05:16,540 --> 02:05:14,210
he's now a lieutenant colonel he's the

3105
02:05:19,360 --> 02:05:16,550
UFO officer Malstrom Air Force Base

3106
02:05:22,930 --> 02:05:19,370
and he's telling he's telling some of

3107
02:05:24,970 --> 02:05:22,940
the the Colorado investigators I can't

3108
02:05:26,440 --> 02:05:24,980
get into that it's national security and

3109
02:05:26,830 --> 02:05:26,450
that would be the missile shutdown part

3110
02:05:31,270 --> 02:05:26,840
of it

3111
02:05:33,610 --> 02:05:31,280
Wow so he has an event occur where he's

3112
02:05:36,160 --> 02:05:33,620
probably the ranking officer and then he

3113
02:05:38,080 --> 02:05:36,170
becomes an expert he's the ranking

3114
02:05:40,870 --> 02:05:38,090
officer on the airplane he's the pilot

3115
02:05:43,630 --> 02:05:40,880
in command he's involved with the UFO

3116
02:05:45,460 --> 02:05:43,640
sighting and and the next thing you know

3117
02:05:47,380 --> 02:05:45,470
he's at Malstrom Air Force Base as

3118
02:05:49,960 --> 02:05:47,390
Lieutenant Colonel as the UFO officer

3119
02:05:51,640 --> 02:05:49,970
which is unusual because the UFO officer

3120
02:05:53,740 --> 02:05:51,650
was normally some second lieutenant that

3121
02:05:55,840 --> 02:05:53,750
got the job as an additional duty they

3122
02:05:57,970 --> 02:05:55,850
didn't ever didn't have one guy assigned

3123
02:05:59,560 --> 02:05:57,980
to a full-time but if there was a UFO

3124
02:06:00,760 --> 02:05:59,570
sighting in the area that's for second

3125
02:06:02,950 --> 02:06:00,770
lieutenant or first lieutenant was

3126
02:06:05,140 --> 02:06:02,960
normally tasked with finding it but here

3127
02:06:08,650 --> 02:06:05,150
at Malstrom the guy tasked with it was a

3128
02:06:10,840 --> 02:06:08,660
lieutenant colonel Wow in the name chase

3129
02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:10,850
has some interesting name game

3130
02:06:16,990 --> 02:06:13,850
implications well yes it does and we was

3131
02:06:21,460 --> 02:06:17,000
hoping we wouldn't go there keep it

3132
02:06:23,560 --> 02:06:21,470
going Chris okay well yeah on that note

3133
02:06:28,060 --> 02:06:23,570
we'll just kind of move right along here

3134
02:06:30,130 --> 02:06:28,070
I have a question from Joey k22 who's

3135
02:06:32,890 --> 02:06:30,140
been a longtime post to it forum dr.

3136
02:06:36,130 --> 02:06:32,900
Peric ascom I mean we're talking five

3137
02:06:39,430 --> 02:06:36,140
years and this is only his 28th message

3138
02:06:41,710 --> 02:06:39,440
at forum at the Forum here and he's

3139
02:06:44,080 --> 02:06:41,720
wondering if you have any examples of

3140
02:06:47,530 --> 02:06:44,090
when conspiracy theorists have been

3141
02:06:49,900 --> 02:06:47,540
proven correct over the past 100 years

3142
02:06:52,780 --> 02:06:49,910
he says in regards to UFOs and the

3143
02:06:53,920 --> 02:06:52,790
government that's a good question you'll

3144
02:06:55,960 --> 02:06:53,930
probably have to scratch your head a

3145
02:06:57,700 --> 02:06:55,970
little bit on that one well actually no

3146
02:07:01,690 --> 02:06:57,710
the thing that springs to my mind is is

3147
02:07:04,060 --> 02:07:01,700
the project moon dust stuff yeah here

3148
02:07:06,130 --> 02:07:04,070
here's it here were alleges that there

3149
02:07:07,720 --> 02:07:06,140
was this investigation called moon dust

3150
02:07:10,690 --> 02:07:07,730
and the Air Force is denying that ever

3151
02:07:12,220 --> 02:07:10,700
existed and pretty soon we've got the

3152
02:07:14,440 --> 02:07:12,230
documentation the Air Force saying oh

3153
02:07:15,850 --> 02:07:14,450
yeah it existed but we never used it and

3154
02:07:18,940 --> 02:07:15,860
we have the documentation to prove that

3155
02:07:21,250 --> 02:07:18,950
so in this respect that conspiracy

3156
02:07:24,100 --> 02:07:21,260
theory has been has been proven accurate

3157
02:07:25,930 --> 02:07:24,110
right in and Jeff Beeman as you

3158
02:07:28,360 --> 02:07:25,940
mentioned was told that there was no

3159
02:07:29,740 --> 02:07:28,370
such thing absolutely absolutely and so

3160
02:07:30,820 --> 02:07:29,750
here's here's

3161
02:07:32,980 --> 02:07:30,830
you know one that springs to mind

3162
02:07:35,200 --> 02:07:32,990
immediately we can look at some of the

3163
02:07:37,060 --> 02:07:35,210
other the other things another another

3164
02:07:39,850 --> 02:07:37,070
great one would be the Colorado study

3165
02:07:41,970 --> 02:07:39,860
done in nineteen nineteen sixty nine

3166
02:07:44,200 --> 02:07:41,980
about there being no national security

3167
02:07:45,580 --> 02:07:44,210
implications we made a scientific study

3168
02:07:49,060 --> 02:07:45,590
and there's nothing nothing to be

3169
02:07:51,160 --> 02:07:49,070
learned from UFOs and we find as the

3170
02:07:52,930 --> 02:07:51,170
study was beginning the Air Force sends

3171
02:07:55,180 --> 02:07:52,940
a letter written by a lieutenant colonel

3172
02:07:57,100 --> 02:07:55,190
named Robert Hitler telling the Condon

3173
02:07:58,600 --> 02:07:57,110
committee exactly what to find we would

3174
02:08:01,300 --> 02:07:58,610
you like you to say some positive things

3175
02:08:03,130 --> 02:08:01,310
about the Air Force investigation we'd

3176
02:08:05,530 --> 02:08:03,140
like to say you say there's no national

3177
02:08:06,940 --> 02:08:05,540
security implications we'd like to you

3178
02:08:08,590 --> 02:08:06,950
to say that we should no end the

3179
02:08:10,330 --> 02:08:08,600
investigation so we can get out of this

3180
02:08:12,550 --> 02:08:10,340
thing that we publicly have to

3181
02:08:14,470 --> 02:08:12,560
investigate and the Colorado Commission

3182
02:08:16,360 --> 02:08:14,480
writes back and said yeah okay we can do

3183
02:08:19,960 --> 02:08:16,370
that the next thing you know Condon is

3184
02:08:22,150 --> 02:08:19,970
saying in in a speech in Corning New

3185
02:08:23,560 --> 02:08:22,160
York I really don't think there's

3186
02:08:25,710 --> 02:08:23,570
anything to this but I'm not supposed to

3187
02:08:29,050 --> 02:08:25,720
come to that conclusion for another

3188
02:08:30,550 --> 02:08:29,060
another 18 months all right yeah yeah

3189
02:08:33,190 --> 02:08:30,560
you shouldn't spend any more money on

3190
02:08:35,710 --> 02:08:33,200
this and so the government the Air Force

3191
02:08:39,220 --> 02:08:35,720
in particularly uses this as an excuse

3192
02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:39,230
to stop and cease project Bluebook and

3193
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then six months later a MUFON begins

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there but they're they stop they stop

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they stop public investigations but we

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know it's not true because a the Air

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Force mission is to keep our skies clear

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of unknown objects so they have a a

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mission beyond UFOs to investigate these

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things but secondly we know the project

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moondust existed at that time so they

3202
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quit Project Blue Book but moon dust

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continues and moon dust is doing some of

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the same stuff that blue book was doing

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so we see the continuation of the

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investigation in fact if you go back to

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the very beginning project sign early on

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after the after after some work some 18

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months or so they've issued a final

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report said well we couldn't find

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anything - flying saucers we've stopped

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they changed the name and continued to

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spas your garage when garage ended they

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said well here's our final report on

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garage we're not going to investigate

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anymore and they continue with Project

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Blue Book Blue Book eventually evolved

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into a debunking agency of public

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fairs debunking agency but they kept

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telling us we've stopped the

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investigation but they continued on

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under another name

3224
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so in 1969 they said well we stopped the

3225
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investigation but clearly they've

3226
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continued it under under project

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moondust which we know about until the

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mid-1980s we just don't know the code

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name of the new project so that's an

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interesting way to get out of something

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you rename it so the previous

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investigation doesn't exist because it's

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known under a new name but if you don't

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know the new name you can't find it oh

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your questions of Kevin Randall and his

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book is the government UFO FILES you're

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on with gene and Chris Chris any other

3353
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questions we could follow through with

3354
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at this point well we do have one from

3355
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Bonzo 4880 who just joined on Monday and

3356
02:15:10,620 --> 02:15:06,580
I'm not sure Kevin if I want to ask you

3357
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this but cuz I know it's gonna open up a

3358
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can of alien worms here but what do you

3359
02:15:19,740 --> 02:15:18,090
think about Dulce and Phil Schneider oh

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my lord

3361
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and and they just did that on the on the

3362
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I saw that on history to this morning

3363
02:15:30,060 --> 02:15:28,210
just saw that I just do not believe the

3364
02:15:32,910 --> 02:15:30,070
tale I don't think there's any good

3365
02:15:35,610 --> 02:15:32,920
solid evidence that that his story is

3366
02:15:38,070 --> 02:15:35,620
true I just don't I just don't buy I've

3367
02:15:42,420 --> 02:15:38,080
been what about Anthony Sanchez in his

3368
02:15:44,540 --> 02:15:42,430
Colonel X and this UFO highway book that

3369
02:15:49,770 --> 02:15:44,550
he released a number of years back that

3370
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the attempts to I guess we jumpstart

3371
02:15:55,950 --> 02:15:52,600
this whole underground base at Dulce a

3372
02:15:59,190 --> 02:15:55,960
scenario are you familiar with Colonel

3373
02:16:01,080 --> 02:15:59,200
axon in that whole scenario here here's

3374
02:16:04,200 --> 02:16:01,090
the problem Colonel X yeah who is this

3375
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guy was he really a military officer we

3376
02:16:10,110 --> 02:16:05,890
can't we can't verify anything about him

3377
02:16:12,060 --> 02:16:10,120
and the sad thing I found is we can we

3378
02:16:15,330 --> 02:16:12,070
can verify military credentials of

3379
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of anybody if it's not that hard to do I

3380
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keep waiting it's called a dd-214 not

3381
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even bad if okay you're living you're

3382
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living wherever the hell you are and

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somebody says well I'm this military guy

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and I know this that the other thing you

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can file a request with the in st. Louis

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which is where the military records are

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held and they will release to you all

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parts of the Mackay's military record

3389
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that are public information awards and

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decorations military schools ranks ranks

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they achieved although some very good

3392
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information so the guy says well I was a

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military officer I did this that and the

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other thing and you write to me said

3395
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well no we have no record of this guy or

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they say or they say yes here is the

3397
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guy's record it turned out he'd been low

3398
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ranking enlisted man well you know

3399
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there's there's something that suggests

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that maybe we shouldn't accept this

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guy's tale this is what happened with

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Robert Willingham and the the crash in

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Del Rio and in 1950 1950 he originally

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said it was 1948 he then said it was

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1950 then he said it was the mid-1950s I

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found in the MUFON Journal in 1968 March

3407
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of 1968 it's leaked called sky look at

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the time but on page three of it there

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was a paragraph on this guy and he was a

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CBC ap lieutenant colonel nothing about

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this in the story is completely

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different than it than what he tells

3413
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today so I I went to the archives in st.

3414
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Louis and got his military record and

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found out that he'd served from December

3416
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of 1945 to January of 1947 and that's

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his whole military service so he

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couldn't have been a fighter pilot he

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couldn't have been a retired he wasn't a

3420
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retired Air Force colonel all that stuff

3421
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was wrong well I just killed the

3422
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credibility of the story that's

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something that's very simple to do but

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you have to have the names of the guys

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to do it so you'd like a colonel a key

3426
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you cannot verify the information and if

3427
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you can't verify it your best course of

3428
02:18:10,980 --> 02:18:09,130
action is does this believe it until you

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can find some verification from

3430
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independent sources and that's the other

3431
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thing that trips us up periodically is

3432
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we think it comes from independent

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sources and it's all traceable back to a

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single source well you know when you

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says Colonel X or something I think of

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commander X from Tim Beck Lee

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of his house names colonel bay commander

3438
02:18:32,070 --> 02:18:30,070
ex these are just pseudonyms see you

3439
02:18:34,170 --> 02:18:32,080
wonder maybe he adapted it from that

3440
02:18:36,090 --> 02:18:34,180
there's any number of stories that came

3441
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from allegedly high-ranking military

3442
02:18:42,180 --> 02:18:39,400
officers and almost universally I'm

3443
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unable to verify their military service

3444
02:18:46,440 --> 02:18:45,010
or their high ranks Steve Wolfson was

3445
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another one who came out with some

3446
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really great stories and said he'd been

3447
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in the Air Force for 39 years the thing

3448
02:18:56,070 --> 02:18:52,450
that caught me it says well he had 13

3449
02:18:57,480 --> 02:18:56,080
good conduct medals and I'm looking at

3450
02:18:59,040 --> 02:18:57,490
that I said well whoever wrote this

3451
02:19:01,040 --> 02:18:59,050
knows that you get a good conduct medal

3452
02:19:03,720 --> 02:19:01,050
for every three years of service but

3453
02:19:06,480 --> 02:19:03,730
officers don't get them only enlisted

3454
02:19:08,850 --> 02:19:06,490
people get them so a guy who'd served

3455
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for 39 years as an Air Force officer

3456
02:19:12,240 --> 02:19:10,660
would not have 13 good conduct medals

3457
02:19:14,430 --> 02:19:12,250
he'd have none because they expect good

3458
02:19:16,350 --> 02:19:14,440
conduct from the officer so you don't

3459
02:19:18,570 --> 02:19:16,360
get rewarded for it that way and looking

3460
02:19:20,310 --> 02:19:18,580
at it you know there's no record of his

3461
02:19:21,990 --> 02:19:20,320
military service it just doesn't make

3462
02:19:24,690 --> 02:19:22,000
any any sense and we go through this

3463
02:19:26,520 --> 02:19:24,700
time and time again yet in UFO field

3464
02:19:27,810 --> 02:19:26,530
particularly or the guy's got a

3465
02:19:30,630 --> 02:19:27,820
pseudonym well there's no way to verify

3466
02:19:33,300 --> 02:19:30,640
it and until we can get the independent

3467
02:19:34,620 --> 02:19:33,310
corroboration you know our best course

3468
02:19:35,580 --> 02:19:34,630
of action is to say well that's an

3469
02:19:37,740 --> 02:19:35,590
interesting story

3470
02:19:40,590 --> 02:19:37,750
but let's see if we can verify it and

3471
02:19:43,020 --> 02:19:40,600
with some of these tales of hidden bases

3472
02:19:44,490 --> 02:19:43,030
and underground bases and all that we

3473
02:19:46,590 --> 02:19:44,500
just cannot get the independent

3474
02:19:50,640 --> 02:19:46,600
corroboration to verify them how do we

3475
02:19:53,640 --> 02:19:50,650
combat all this tenuous kind of you know

3476
02:19:56,580 --> 02:19:53,650
vaporous information that's touted to

3477
02:19:58,820 --> 02:19:56,590
support you know the latest version of

3478
02:20:02,730 --> 02:19:58,830
you know some sort of controversial

3479
02:20:06,001 --> 02:20:02,740
claim I mean this is something that is

3480
02:20:09,540 --> 02:20:06,011
going to haunt this field forever unless

3481
02:20:12,360 --> 02:20:09,550
we can come up with a formula with which

3482
02:20:14,370 --> 02:20:12,370
to keep these stories you know under

3483
02:20:17,190 --> 02:20:14,380
wraps or at least out of the public eye

3484
02:20:18,930 --> 02:20:17,200
until they can be verified I mean what

3485
02:20:21,841 --> 02:20:18,940
about checks and bounces in the field of

3486
02:20:24,421 --> 02:20:21,851
ufology is there any hope no because

3487
02:20:26,310 --> 02:20:24,431
belief structure and it comes into play

3488
02:20:28,560 --> 02:20:26,320
as does the Internet the Internet's

3489
02:20:32,970 --> 02:20:28,570
really really crushed any any attempts

3490
02:20:35,400 --> 02:20:32,980
at verification I did a paper a long

3491
02:20:37,921 --> 02:20:35,410
long paper some 14 years ago in an

3492
02:20:38,761 --> 02:20:37,931
attempt to set up a peer review among

3493
02:20:41,041 --> 02:20:38,771
UFOs

3494
02:20:42,661 --> 02:20:41,051
searchers and I looked at the Mantell

3495
02:20:44,491 --> 02:20:42,671
case Mantell being the Air National

3496
02:20:47,581 --> 02:20:44,501
Guard pilot who was killed chasing a

3497
02:20:49,320 --> 02:20:47,591
flying saucer and and I looked at all

3498
02:20:53,491 --> 02:20:49,330
kinds of aspects of this I mean I went

3499
02:20:55,680 --> 02:20:53,501
into epoxy and hypoxia and how it

3500
02:20:57,570 --> 02:20:55,690
affects the human body and how long you

3501
02:20:59,310 --> 02:20:57,580
can remain conscious at these extreme

3502
02:21:01,430 --> 02:20:59,320
altitudes without oxygen and all these

3503
02:21:04,501 --> 02:21:01,440
factors that played into the mantle case

3504
02:21:09,470 --> 02:21:04,511
hoping to set an example you know here's

3505
02:21:16,051 --> 02:21:13,261
what's-his-face up in Canada crystal

3506
02:21:19,201 --> 02:21:16,061
tells Knapp no no Earl bluesnap putting

3507
02:21:22,051 --> 02:21:19,211
on his UFO updates it's for comment from

3508
02:21:24,121 --> 02:21:22,061
our peers in the hopes of inspiring

3509
02:21:25,320 --> 02:21:24,131
others to look at other cases in a

3510
02:21:27,480 --> 02:21:25,330
similar fashion where we could all

3511
02:21:29,881 --> 02:21:27,490
comment on it as you would in a

3512
02:21:32,640 --> 02:21:29,891
peer-reviewed journal for example and

3513
02:21:36,451 --> 02:21:32,650
and it worked to an extent but nobody

3514
02:21:38,850 --> 02:21:36,461
ever created a second paper on some

3515
02:21:41,070 --> 02:21:38,860
other aspect of the UFO field to do the

3516
02:21:42,751 --> 02:21:41,080
same thing and and that that's one of

3517
02:21:44,640 --> 02:21:42,761
the things we need to do is kind of come

3518
02:21:47,491 --> 02:21:44,650
up with some way of peer reviewing stuff

3519
02:21:50,461 --> 02:21:47,501
but every and that was kind of one of

3520
02:21:51,930 --> 02:21:50,471
the things in the in the government UFO

3521
02:21:54,451 --> 02:21:51,940
FILES I tried to provide the information

3522
02:21:57,171 --> 02:21:54,461
so that you could verify it yourself and

3523
02:21:59,451 --> 02:21:57,181
suggest that we need to we need to

3524
02:22:02,341 --> 02:21:59,461
independently verify this information

3525
02:22:04,890 --> 02:22:02,351
before we went off on a tangent but

3526
02:22:06,741 --> 02:22:04,900
anybody with a computer can publish

3527
02:22:09,541 --> 02:22:06,751
anything on the internet at any time

3528
02:22:12,661 --> 02:22:09,551
about anything so there's me and it can

3529
02:22:15,720 --> 02:22:12,671
go viral much to our horror immediately

3530
02:22:19,770 --> 02:22:15,730
immediately and and I mean UFO footage

3531
02:22:21,270 --> 02:22:19,780
being being used today coming and

3532
02:22:24,001 --> 02:22:21,280
surfacing today is virtually useless

3533
02:22:27,390 --> 02:22:24,011
because any twelve-year-old kid with a

3534
02:22:29,911 --> 02:22:27,400
computer can produce an outstanding UFO

3535
02:22:32,850 --> 02:22:29,921
movie and there's there's little you can

3536
02:22:35,070 --> 02:22:32,860
do to verify the circumstance unless you

3537
02:22:36,810 --> 02:22:35,080
know there's a wide range of witnesses

3538
02:22:39,360 --> 02:22:36,820
who saw it at separate locations and

3539
02:22:42,751 --> 02:22:39,370
they're not related to the initial

3540
02:22:45,121 --> 02:22:42,761
poster of that specific piece of video

3541
02:22:47,911 --> 02:22:45,131
so it's it's very difficult to do but

3542
02:22:49,591 --> 02:22:47,921
the thing we have to do as serious

3543
02:22:51,810 --> 02:22:49,601
researchers is look at this stuff and

3544
02:22:52,710 --> 02:22:51,820
say you know okay that's interesting I

3545
02:22:56,070 --> 02:22:52,720
don't believe it

3546
02:22:58,290 --> 02:22:56,080
here's why and and usually the reason is

3547
02:22:59,550 --> 02:22:58,300
we have no independent verification for

3548
02:23:00,929 --> 02:22:59,560
it and that kind of comes back to the

3549
02:23:02,969 --> 02:23:00,939
question that was being asked you know

3550
02:23:05,070 --> 02:23:02,979
what do you think of this guy and his

3551
02:23:06,510 --> 02:23:05,080
underground bases that don't see and the

3552
02:23:09,570 --> 02:23:06,520
answer is there's no there's no

3553
02:23:11,040 --> 02:23:09,580
independent verification for it I know

3554
02:23:14,610 --> 02:23:11,050
of a number of documentaries that have

3555
02:23:17,309 --> 02:23:14,620
gone out to the Archuleta Plateau in New

3556
02:23:18,750 --> 02:23:17,319
Mexico looking for the signs that people

3557
02:23:19,830 --> 02:23:18,760
said were there of the tunnel interest

3558
02:23:20,580 --> 02:23:19,840
is all that and they've never found

3559
02:23:22,229 --> 02:23:20,590
anything

3560
02:23:23,760 --> 02:23:22,239
and you know serious researchers have

3561
02:23:25,320 --> 02:23:23,770
done a documentary crews have done it

3562
02:23:28,200 --> 02:23:25,330
they've worked with the Apache nation

3563
02:23:30,599 --> 02:23:28,210
and just been unable to find anything to

3564
02:23:33,030 --> 02:23:30,609
verify this does that mean it's not

3565
02:23:35,550 --> 02:23:33,040
there well probably it does but the

3566
02:23:37,559 --> 02:23:35,560
point is we have no verification for it

3567
02:23:39,000 --> 02:23:37,569
now so we have to look at that a little

3568
02:23:41,700 --> 02:23:39,010
bit askance

3569
02:23:43,650 --> 02:23:41,710
oh we're always looking at scans in the

3570
02:23:48,210 --> 02:23:43,660
UFO field we always have to wonder those

3571
02:23:50,490 --> 02:23:48,220
ganks I think you think so oh well the

3572
02:23:53,160 --> 02:23:50,500
book is called the government UFO FILES

3573
02:23:56,090 --> 02:23:53,170
the conspiracy of cover-up and as you

3574
02:23:59,550 --> 02:23:56,100
see just going through this is like

3575
02:24:01,920 --> 02:23:59,560
going through a swamp of information

3576
02:24:03,990 --> 02:24:01,930
misinformation trying to figure out

3577
02:24:06,210 --> 02:24:04,000
what's going on and certainly Kevin

3578
02:24:08,820 --> 02:24:06,220
Randle is one of the best out there too

3579
02:24:10,769 --> 02:24:08,830
Treach through this and try to go

3580
02:24:11,940 --> 02:24:10,779
through this and try to figure out what

3581
02:24:14,550 --> 02:24:11,950
might be going on

3582
02:24:17,219 --> 02:24:14,560
Kevin D Randle joining gene and Chris

3583
02:24:21,720 --> 02:24:17,229
for one more segment you're in the para

3584
02:24:21,730 --> 02:24:25,980
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never forget a former US military

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turn out to be true and thrust him into

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afford to rent with these prices imagine

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a 70 by 100 foot church building for

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hi this is Ted Anderson have you ever

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wondered why banks stockbrokers

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investment advisors won't talk about

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six yet the financial industry won't

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recognize the value of gold for your

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tire meant gold has outperformed paper

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investments yet no word about IRAs if

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you would like to have gold for your

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3689
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announced that he believed UFOs were

3690
02:29:41,480 --> 02:29:38,971
real but the problem is they don't

3691
02:29:43,190 --> 02:29:41,490
provide any evidence it's not

3692
02:29:44,890 --> 02:29:43,200
necessarily conspiracy among the

3693
02:29:47,060 --> 02:29:44,900
government's to keep this stuff secret

3694
02:29:48,501 --> 02:29:47,070
it's in the national security of

3695
02:29:50,150 --> 02:29:48,511
specific governments to keep it secret

3696
02:29:51,350 --> 02:29:50,160
so they just follow in that if it was in

3697
02:29:53,950 --> 02:29:51,360
their best interest to release the

3698
02:29:56,511 --> 02:29:53,960
information we'd be talking about that

3699
02:29:58,610 --> 02:29:56,521
Nick Pope in his in his book on

3700
02:30:00,910 --> 02:29:58,620
Rendlesham forest with John burrows and

3701
02:30:03,470 --> 02:30:00,920
Jim Penniston for example talk about the

3702
02:30:05,511 --> 02:30:03,480
British study of UFOs and what their

3703
02:30:08,950 --> 02:30:05,521
conclusions came to and how it sort of

3704
02:30:11,541 --> 02:30:08,960
mirrored the Condon committee report

3705
02:30:14,091 --> 02:30:11,551
overlooking evidence ignoring evidence

3706
02:30:15,801 --> 02:30:14,101
and that sort of thing we've got we've

3707
02:30:18,530 --> 02:30:15,811
got some interesting cases out of South

3708
02:30:20,390 --> 02:30:18,540
America I talked to the pilot who had

3709
02:30:23,270 --> 02:30:20,400
flown an intercept on a UFO and Amy

3710
02:30:25,461 --> 02:30:23,280
fired on it and so I asked him the

3711
02:30:27,410 --> 02:30:25,471
question that everybody everybody

3712
02:30:29,090 --> 02:30:27,420
assumed but nobody had asked him which

3713
02:30:31,010 --> 02:30:29,100
was you know he said they fight you

3714
02:30:33,109 --> 02:30:31,020
without result and I said well did you

3715
02:30:34,550 --> 02:30:33,119
hit it you know if you missed it it's no

3716
02:30:36,559 --> 02:30:34,560
there's no results in he said not only

3717
02:30:38,960 --> 02:30:36,569
here he hit the machine gun bullets hit

3718
02:30:40,729 --> 02:30:38,970
it and bounced off and so we've got

3719
02:30:44,030 --> 02:30:40,739
we've got some very good stuff like that

3720
02:30:47,599 --> 02:30:44,040
but you know in the United States were

3721
02:30:51,200 --> 02:30:47,609
very American centric and so we we tend

3722
02:30:54,380 --> 02:30:51,210
not to believe that that these other

3723
02:30:57,469 --> 02:30:54,390
nations research would be as good as

3724
02:30:58,939 --> 02:30:57,479
ours so we often ignore what they have

3725
02:31:00,320 --> 02:30:58,949
to say or what the researchers have to

3726
02:31:03,170 --> 02:31:00,330
say from these countries and they've

3727
02:31:06,649 --> 02:31:03,180
produced some extraordinary UFO cases

3728
02:31:10,070 --> 02:31:06,659
out of all parts of the world we just we

3729
02:31:11,750 --> 02:31:10,080
just tend to ignore them here and here's

3730
02:31:14,870 --> 02:31:11,760
an interesting point on the Rendlesham

3731
02:31:16,309 --> 02:31:14,880
forest case the Bentwaters case where

3732
02:31:18,250 --> 02:31:16,319
the united states air force supposedly

3733
02:31:21,170 --> 02:31:18,260
saw a UFO land in the Rendlesham forest

3734
02:31:23,750 --> 02:31:21,180
in great britain and the united states

3735
02:31:25,340 --> 02:31:23,760
as well the UFO landed on British soil

3736
02:31:27,830 --> 02:31:25,350
so it's not our concern in the British

3737
02:31:29,540 --> 02:31:27,840
said it was investigated by Americans

3738
02:31:31,700 --> 02:31:29,550
from the base so it's not our concern so

3739
02:31:34,250 --> 02:31:31,710
the two governments are fighting one

3740
02:31:36,410 --> 02:31:34,260
another to stay away from this as much

3741
02:31:38,149 --> 02:31:36,420
as they can trying to Palm it off on the

3742
02:31:39,679 --> 02:31:38,159
on the other government so there's a lot

3743
02:31:42,019 --> 02:31:39,689
of that kind of nonsense going on as

3744
02:31:46,429 --> 02:31:42,029
well speaking of nonsense or not

3745
02:31:48,530 --> 02:31:46,439
nonsense okay so you believe that the

3746
02:31:52,820 --> 02:31:48,540
Roswell crash was real do we have any

3747
02:31:55,540 --> 02:31:52,830
other spaceships on ice somewhere I'm

3748
02:31:58,880 --> 02:31:55,550
there are some other interesting cases

3749
02:32:00,380 --> 02:31:58,890
shag harbour for example in 1968 which

3750
02:32:03,760 --> 02:32:00,390
by the way happened during the Condon

3751
02:32:08,149 --> 02:32:03,770
committee and there their investigation

3752
02:32:11,030 --> 02:32:08,159
involved a phone call to Canada shag

3753
02:32:12,380 --> 02:32:11,040
harbour being in Canada and deciding

3754
02:32:13,399 --> 02:32:12,390
there was just a bunch of teenagers made

3755
02:32:15,649 --> 02:32:13,409
a report and they weren't going to

3756
02:32:17,899 --> 02:32:15,659
investigate it this is an object seen in

3757
02:32:19,929 --> 02:32:17,909
the sky fell into shag harbour created

3758
02:32:22,760 --> 02:32:19,939
some kind of disturbances that went down

3759
02:32:24,769 --> 02:32:22,770
American military forces responded at

3760
02:32:26,809 --> 02:32:24,779
the invitation of the Canadians Canadian

3761
02:32:29,090 --> 02:32:26,819
military forces responded perrolli

3762
02:32:31,519 --> 02:32:29,100
Soviet military forces responded in some

3763
02:32:33,800 --> 02:32:31,529
fashion thing was underwater for seven

3764
02:32:35,540 --> 02:32:33,810
or eight days and finally finally left

3765
02:32:37,490 --> 02:32:35,550
the area son I'm sure counts as a crash

3766
02:32:40,639 --> 02:32:37,500
there's a picture of the thing in the

3767
02:32:42,979 --> 02:32:40,649
air that Don Leger and Chris Stiles had

3768
02:32:45,050 --> 02:32:42,989
found they found police officers

3769
02:32:46,939 --> 02:32:45,060
witnesses they found documentation from

3770
02:32:50,539 --> 02:32:46,949
various elements of a Canadian

3771
02:32:52,279 --> 02:32:50,549
government about this case so here was a

3772
02:32:53,719 --> 02:32:52,289
case where they didn't recover anything

3773
02:32:56,239 --> 02:32:53,729
but there's some very interesting

3774
02:32:58,069 --> 02:32:56,249
evidence multiple chains of evidence

3775
02:33:00,859 --> 02:32:58,079
including the photograph the testimony

3776
02:33:02,449 --> 02:33:00,869
and the documentation so there are

3777
02:33:05,179 --> 02:33:02,459
things like that out there we just need

3778
02:33:06,829 --> 02:33:05,189
to seek them out and and and not not

3779
02:33:08,329 --> 02:33:06,839
confessional eyes them because we're

3780
02:33:10,760 --> 02:33:08,339
dealing with an alien race that that's

3781
02:33:12,619 --> 02:33:10,770
sensational enough I would think also I

3782
02:33:14,920 --> 02:33:12,629
would think that at some point in time

3783
02:33:17,859 --> 02:33:14,930
if they've been here all these years

3784
02:33:20,510 --> 02:33:17,869
whether it's one race or many races

3785
02:33:23,710 --> 02:33:20,520
wouldn't they show some more evidence of

3786
02:33:26,119 --> 02:33:23,720
their intent or are we so low on the

3787
02:33:28,519 --> 02:33:26,129
evolutionary scale that doesn't matter

3788
02:33:30,979 --> 02:33:28,529
to them I always talk about the prime

3789
02:33:32,769 --> 02:33:30,989
directive from Star Trek which was not

3790
02:33:35,779 --> 02:33:32,779
which of course they break all the time

3791
02:33:38,300 --> 02:33:35,789
like in the last Star Trek film well

3792
02:33:41,689 --> 02:33:38,310
yeah I just wouldn't you go the last one

3793
02:33:44,510 --> 02:33:41,699
count star trek into darkness you don't

3794
02:33:46,789 --> 02:33:44,520
think it counts and the Star Trek one

3795
02:33:48,380 --> 02:33:46,799
before that that I mean they reinvent

3796
02:33:50,719 --> 02:33:48,390
the characters and all kinds of stuff

3797
02:33:52,460 --> 02:33:50,729
the only good part was they showed Kirk

3798
02:33:54,590 --> 02:33:52,470
living in Iowa which was kind of fun for

3799
02:33:57,109 --> 02:33:54,600
us in Iowa yeah but you know what well

3800
02:33:58,909 --> 02:33:57,119
the movie starts out with them stopping

3801
02:34:01,969 --> 02:33:58,919
a volcano from erupting and destroying

3802
02:34:04,550 --> 02:34:01,979
the civilization well anyway and then

3803
02:34:08,029 --> 02:34:04,560
the first film by the way so for example

3804
02:34:10,909 --> 02:34:08,039
Captain Kirk's father is really Thor the

3805
02:34:14,359 --> 02:34:10,919
actor who plays Thor oh oh yes yes yeah

3806
02:34:15,829 --> 02:34:14,369
okay that's the thing the thing that the

3807
02:34:18,949 --> 02:34:15,839
thing that bugged me about that the

3808
02:34:22,369 --> 02:34:18,959
first movie was the Kirk as a cadet in

3809
02:34:24,109 --> 02:34:22,379
essence on on the enterprise the captain

3810
02:34:26,179 --> 02:34:24,119
leaves to go off on his away team or

3811
02:34:29,449 --> 02:34:26,189
whatever he leaves Kirk in charge I

3812
02:34:32,179 --> 02:34:29,459
don't think so of course they're trying

3813
02:34:33,800 --> 02:34:32,189
to kind of shortcut everything also in

3814
02:34:36,439 --> 02:34:33,810
terms of performances

3815
02:34:39,559 --> 02:34:36,449
I think Zachary Quinto was a really good

3816
02:34:42,199 --> 02:34:39,569
actor as Spock he looks the role but

3817
02:34:44,389 --> 02:34:42,209
he's not Leonard Nimoy and that was so

3818
02:34:48,679 --> 02:34:44,399
painfully obvious when you saw them

3819
02:34:51,109 --> 02:34:48,689
together I realize the personality and

3820
02:34:53,649 --> 02:34:51,119
the brilliance that Leonard Nimoy brings

3821
02:34:56,091 --> 02:34:53,659
to this role that he's played for what

3822
02:34:58,161 --> 02:34:56,101
45 years or something

3823
02:35:00,081 --> 02:34:58,171
and now you've got this young

3824
02:35:02,841 --> 02:35:00,091
whippersnapper and he doesn't quite cut

3825
02:35:05,720 --> 02:35:02,851
it well just remember my favorite role

3826
02:35:08,961 --> 02:35:05,730
from Leonard Nimoy was his rowlandm the

3827
02:35:11,781 --> 02:35:08,971
giant ant movie from the 1950s right I

3828
02:35:14,180 --> 02:35:11,791
forgot he was in that yeah he's some

3829
02:35:18,621 --> 02:35:14,190
sergeant comes up and says boy when

3830
02:35:20,060 --> 02:35:18,631
these when people see UFOs Texans will

3831
02:35:21,470 --> 02:35:20,070
see him bigger and better or something

3832
02:35:25,600 --> 02:35:21,480
it was this whole whole role in that

3833
02:35:28,610 --> 02:35:25,610
movie what am i favorite sci-fi films oh

3834
02:35:31,640 --> 02:35:28,620
the flying saucers - but Spock well yeah

3835
02:35:34,881 --> 02:35:31,650
of course well that's the one major

3836
02:35:40,161 --> 02:35:34,891
Keyhoe never lived down yeah earth vs.

3837
02:35:41,871 --> 02:35:40,171
the flying saucers the the prime

3838
02:35:44,591 --> 02:35:41,881
directive of course they never they

3839
02:35:47,241 --> 02:35:44,601
never stuck to their always interfering

3840
02:35:48,770 --> 02:35:47,251
in an anthropology here we have sort of

3841
02:35:49,970 --> 02:35:48,780
the same thing don't interfere just

3842
02:35:55,791 --> 02:35:49,980
observe but by the mere observation

3843
02:35:58,761 --> 02:35:55,801
you're interfering part of the aliens

3844
02:36:05,060 --> 02:35:58,771
prime directive is to confuse us as much

3845
02:36:07,791 --> 02:36:05,070
as possible without getting caught movie

3846
02:36:09,770 --> 02:36:07,801
called morons from outer space okay

3847
02:36:12,560 --> 02:36:09,780
folks you ready for this this is one of

3848
02:36:15,801 --> 02:36:12,570
the early Leonard Nimoy films he plays a

3849
02:36:18,140 --> 02:36:15,811
villain in the film actually a movie

3850
02:36:21,591 --> 02:36:18,150
serial called zombies of the

3851
02:36:26,241 --> 02:36:21,601
stratosphere okay Frawley

3852
02:36:28,791 --> 02:36:26,251
really 1952 okay guys stop it right

3853
02:36:30,650 --> 02:36:28,801
there that's one of the earliest films

3854
02:36:33,411 --> 02:36:30,660
he also played on the original dragnet

3855
02:36:36,051 --> 02:36:33,421
by the way Leonard Nimoy and I see this

3856
02:36:39,230 --> 02:36:36,061
guy has got this amazing career before

3857
02:36:41,451 --> 02:36:39,240
he became Spock but in those cases of

3858
02:36:43,161 --> 02:36:41,461
course nobody knew who he was he was an

3859
02:36:44,841 --> 02:36:43,171
invisible actor just another character

3860
02:36:45,411 --> 02:36:44,851
actor listen we're just about out of

3861
02:36:48,140 --> 02:36:45,421
time

3862
02:36:49,821 --> 02:36:48,150
Kevin Randall yeah tell her listeners

3863
02:36:52,341 --> 02:36:49,831
where they can find more of your stuff

3864
02:36:55,810 --> 02:36:52,351
and give yourself a heavy plug for your

3865
02:36:58,190 --> 02:36:55,820
blog I love it well that the book

3866
02:36:59,301 --> 02:36:58,200
government UFO FILES is available on

3867
02:37:01,940 --> 02:36:59,311
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3868
02:37:04,821 --> 02:37:01,950
feel free to download it as a Kindle

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02:37:06,381 --> 02:37:04,831
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3870
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3871
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3872
02:37:12,289 --> 02:37:09,719
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3873
02:37:14,059 --> 02:37:12,299
better for deciding whether or not I

3874
02:37:15,139 --> 02:37:14,069
want to buy a book I've used the

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3876
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02:37:26,959 --> 02:37:24,989
local bookstores the blog is called a

3880
02:37:28,849 --> 02:37:26,969
different perspective you type my name

3881
02:37:32,119 --> 02:37:28,859
into the search engine it'll come up

3882
02:37:33,619 --> 02:37:32,129
like the first or second entry if you

3883
02:37:36,289 --> 02:37:33,629
type a difference perspective in there

3884
02:37:39,949 --> 02:37:36,299
you'll get it it's @ww Kevin Randall

3885
02:37:43,069 --> 02:37:39,959
blog spot.com and I put I just put

3886
02:37:44,749 --> 02:37:43,079
something up a couple of hours ago that

3887
02:37:46,729 --> 02:37:44,759
was the one on mj-12 that we were

3888
02:37:48,669 --> 02:37:46,739
discussing so you can read the original

3889
02:37:50,719 --> 02:37:48,679
source material go back to the original

3890
02:37:52,669 --> 02:37:50,729
article and open mind to get more

3891
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